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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Barnabas

    Another view of Jesus life.

    Edit: of course it is not accepted by Christians because it talks about different christianity
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    14 Dec '06 07:33
    Originally posted by ahosyney
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Barnabas

    Another view of Jesus life.

    Edit: of course it is not accepted by Christians because it talks about different christianity
    And why is it not accepted by muslims?
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    What's your point on bringing up this anachronism, and highly inconsistent subject?
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    Originally posted by ahosyney
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Barnabas

    Another view of Jesus life.

    Edit: of course it is not accepted by Christians because it talks about different christianity
    It is not accepted by Christians because there is no evidence that it is not a made up story written long after the events by someone strongly biased by his own philosophy. (called a pious fraud in the wikipedia article)

    No, wait, then why do they accept all those other Gospels ?
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    Originally posted by twhitehead
    It is not accepted by Christians because there is no evidence that it is not a made up story written long after the events by someone strongly biased by his own philosophy. (called a pious fraud in the wikipedia article)

    No, wait, then why do they accept all those other Gospels ?
    No, wait, then why do they accept all those other Gospels ?

    That is my point here, what is the difference between this Godpel and any other one.

    Note: Muslims accept Jesus as a prophet, and they accept his Gospel, our problem is which one is the true Godpel.
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    14 Dec '06 15:58
    Originally posted by ahosyney
    That is my point here, what is the difference between this Godpel and any other one.
    Because most likely it was written by Muslims.
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    14 Dec '06 16:071 edit
    Originally posted by Palynka
    Because most likely it was written by Muslims.
    Same goes for any other Gospel, they are most likly written by someone who want to make Christians belive in something. No one knows any of the Gospel writters to know why the wrote it.
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    14 Dec '06 16:41
    Originally posted by ahosyney
    Same goes for any other Gospel, they are most likly written by someone who want to make Christians belive in something. No one knows any of the Gospel writters to know why the wrote it.
    My point was that there were no Muslims at the time Barnabas lived.
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    14 Dec '06 17:11
    Originally posted by Palynka
    My point was that there were no Muslims at the time Barnabas lived.
    Yes of course, and Bernaba is one of the disciples.

    But because the Gospel talkes about the Prophet Mohammed and say that Jesus is not GOD, and is not the Messiah, christians refuse it, and say it is written by Muslims.

    It is not the only one that is refused, I think any Gospel that doesn't match the Christian belives will be refused , like the Judas gospel.
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    Originally posted by ahosyney
    Yes of course, and Bernaba is one of the disciples.

    But because the Gospel talkes about the Prophet Mohammed and say that Jesus is not GOD, and is not the Messiah, christians refuse it, and say it is written by Muslims.

    It is not the only one that is refused, I think any Gospel that doesn't match the Christian belives will be refused , like the Judas gospel.
    That it isn't the only reason. There are many concrete reasons to believe it is a fraud, including a number of gross historical mistakes contained in the book.
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    Originally posted by Palynka
    That it isn't the only reason. There are many concrete reasons to believe it is a fraud, including a number of gross historical mistakes contained in the book.
    If you compair the four Gospels accepted by all Christians you will find historical mistakes and contradictions between them. They don't agree in many essential details of Jesus life.

    So how do you know which one tells the true history about Jesus life.

    Another important point is at least two of the four gospels are written by non disciples and written in a period after Jesus life.
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    Originally posted by ahosyney
    If you compair the four Gospels accepted by all Christians you will find historical mistakes and contradictions between them. They don't agree in many essential details of Jesus life.

    So how do you know which one tells the true history about Jesus life.

    Another important point is at least two of the four gospels are written by non disciples and written in a period after Jesus life.
    Because many of the mistakes directly point to a forgery as they mention things that existed in Europe during the Middle Ages. You don't have to be a genius to raise an eyebrow.

    I'm not a Christian, so even though I don't believe in the Christian Gospels, I can perfectly see a vast difference between them and the Barnabas Gospel.
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    14 Dec '06 17:471 edit
    Originally posted by Palynka
    Because many of the mistakes directly point to a forgery as they mention things that existed in Europe during the Middle Ages. You don't have to be a genius to raise an eyebrow.

    I'm not a Christian, so even though I don't believe in the Christian Gospels, I can perfectly see a vast difference between them and the Barnabas Gospel.
    I agree with you and I don't argue that Bernabas Gospel is true. That is not my point, and I don't need to prove it is true, and may be it is really written by Muslims,

    My point is the reasons Christians refuse this Gospel for could be found in the four Gospels they currently accept.

    And there are other Gospels that don't have the same problems you can find in Bernabas and they also don't accept.
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    14 Dec '06 17:511 edit
    Originally posted by ahosyney
    I don't argue that Bernabas Gospel is true, that is not my point, and I don't need to prove it is true, and may be it is really written by Muslims,

    My point is the reasons Christians refuse this Gospel for could be found in the four Gospels they currently accept.

    And there are other Gospels that don't have the same problems you can find in Bernabas and they also don't accept.
    Of course they don't accept it. It's a clear forgery.

    Do you have any comments regarding the fact that the Barnabas gospel makes references to things that could only be known in the Middle Ages?

    More importantly, do YOU accept it?
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    14 Dec '06 17:59
    Originally posted by Palynka
    Of course they do. It's a clear forgery.

    Do you have any comments regarding the fact that the Barnabas gospel makes references to things that could only be known in the Middle Ages?

    More importantly, do YOU accept it?
    My I was not clear,

    I agree it might be forgery. I have no problem about that,

    References to things in the middle ages, could prove it is forgery, and if you have faith it could be propheies 😀.

    More importantly, do YOU accept it?

    For me it doesn't make a difference, and I'm a Muslim before I ever heard about it. I don't need to accept it or reject it.

    To accept it I need a prove that it is really a word from GOD, and I don't have this prove for any Gospel today. So I don't accept it.
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