Has religion served its purpose?

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I know. I dont believe a man gets eternal life by professing faith ie the OSAS doctrine. That is not in the bible. Faith + works is the way to the Kingdom of God for Christian Saints in Christ. Born-again Christians who live in sin are destroyed.

Not everybody is a born again Christian Saint. Many will enter the Kingdom of God by another route and this is also clearly stated.

Those who stick on to Paul do not see these doctrines in the bible because their mind is clouded by the 'saved by grace through faith and not by works' doctrine. That is for Christians.

@josephw said
One thing is for certain; neither FMF or divegeester knows what they're talking about with regards to "faith".

FMF denies the existence of the supernatural, which is the context of the "faith" of which is being discussed, which throughly disqualifies any and all of his thoughts and ideas relative to "faith". His words are of no effect and should be disregarded outright.
...[text shortened]... matters relative to "faith".

The both are not merely trolling this forum, they are troll clowns.

Your post is a good example of a small minded person and wasted words. You talking about other people. Why not contribute something of substance about the topic? Is it because you cannot and you find it easier to engage in trivial gossip about who knows about faith. What do you know? Tell us.

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What page. I will have a read of it although I am familiar with your beliefs

@josephw said
One thing is for certain; neither FMF or divegeester knows what they're talking about with regards to "faith".

Ah-ha, yes. Yet another poster so pumped up by his religionist narcissism that he thinks he can reach back into someone's past life and unilaterally alter what someone believed to be true in the past.

@josephw said
FMF denies the existence of the supernatural, which is the context of the "faith" of which is being discussed, which throughly disqualifies any and all of his thoughts and ideas relative to "faith".

You are mistaken. I am agnostic about "the supernatural". And I'm not claiming to still have faith now.

@josephw said
The both are not merely trolling this forum, they are troll clowns.

You and I may not perceive the world the same way and we may disagree about fundamental things, but this does not mean that me expressing my views is me "merely trolling this forum". You are using the word "trolling" in a way that renders it meaningless.

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My opinion on this is
- Hell is real and it is there for the Devil and his angels, not humans. Evil humans are destroyed not tortured. {some reading of the apocrypha helps with an understanding of this and why it is so]
- I agree, everyone is saved by the death of Christ


I will have a think about the rest.

@fmf said
I believed all this kind of thing back in the day. That's why I am applying your assertions/analysis [about me] to you. This is not intended to be a willy-waving contest about HOW REAL or HOW TRUE anyone's faith is or was.

That is exactly what you are doing; if your faith were in something real, there wouldn't be a change, but if you found what you thought was true wasn't, it is gone. Faith is trusting in something you cannot prove; walking away just means, according to you, what you had wasn't real. When you then go and try and compare yourself to others who have not walked away, that is precisely what you are doing.