Have scientists become fantasists...

Originally posted by divegeester

Scientists were trying to disprove 'creation' by demonstrating that they could creat basic life![/b]

Creationists get crucified for making such unsubstantiated statements. In fact, if the tables were turned we would be laughed to scorn.

Originally posted by divegeester
I was and still am a fan of Carl Sagan (RIP) and have an old copy of his series COSMOS on VHS.

It's dated now of course, but there was one espisode in which he was is a research institute where the science team there were investigating the origin of life of earth through incidental causes.

As part of there work they were running an experiment i ...[text shortened]... sts were trying to disprove 'creation' by demonstrating that they could creat basic life!

With such a primitive understanding of science, its not difficult to see why you lapsed into Christianity. Scientists aren't trying to disprove creation. I don't think such a thing could be done. What they're doing is demonstrating that life could arise naturally by simulating the conditions of an early earth. The byproduct of that would be that a supernatural 'creator' would be unnecessary. Not disproved, but unnecessary. I've never seen the movie, but it sounds like they're doing the Miller-Urey experiment, from 1952, which did produce a number of amino acids.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
i have in the past went to great lengths to show, with reference! that it is indeed unscientific, believe what you will.

I repeat:
If you don't understand evolution or science, then you can easily come to that conclusion.
If you are a creationist and think that you can prove creation with scientific methods, then, again, you don't understand science.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
i have in the past went to great lengths to show, with reference! that it is indeed unscientific, believe what you will.

And I thought you were Morris dancing ...

Originally posted by FabianFnas
I repeat:
If you don't understand evolution or science, then you can easily come to that conclusion.
If you are a creationist and think that you can prove creation with scientific methods, then, again, you don't understand science.

Keep up repeating ad infinitum🙂

my trusty feer robbie will keep up just the same
for
he cannot kill his Enemy😵

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
i have in the past went to great lengths to show, with reference! that it is indeed unscientific, believe what you will.

Oh ye leggedy beastie,

Fabian and the miserable scientific lot of his
had burn you 2 the ground
big time😵

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
And I thought you were Morris dancing ...

Rumi dancing rocks however😵

Originally posted by black beetle
Keep up repeating ad infinitum🙂

The universal mantra:

UM?

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
The universal mantra:

UM?

cool😵

Originally posted by black beetle
Oh ye leggedy beastie,

Fabian and the miserable scientific lot of his
had burn you 2 the ground
big time😵

lol, i doubt it beetle dude, simply repeating and stating that something is so, does not mean that it is, plus as the learned Fabian has pointed out, this is the spiritual forum where one can get away with almost anything, including trying to pass of scientific postulation in the guise of established fact!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
lol, i doubt it beetle dude, simply repeating and stating that something is so, does not mean that it is, plus as the learned Fabian has pointed out, this is the spiritual forum where one can get away with almost anything, including trying to pass of scientific postulation in the guise of established fact!

I don't think a single person who took the time to read that debate failed to conclude you were talking through your hat.

Not a bad practice, as it happens -- depending on the hat.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
lol, i doubt it beetle dude, simply repeating and stating that something is so, does not mean that it is, plus as the learned Fabian has pointed out, this is the spiritual forum where one can get away with almost anything, including trying to pass of scientific postulation in the guise of established fact!

OK🙂


I remember somethin outta of that ole movie, the "7 Samurai".

...the samurai was helping a peasant to practice his martial skills and therefore he was fighting against him with wooden sword. Then the peasant claimed that he was the winner. The samurai said:
-- "If we were fighting with real swords you would be dead"
Then the peasant drove loco and challenged him.

And then 😵

Originally posted by PsychoPawn
I think it's quite the faulty generalization and a faulty assumption that scientists come to their conclusions to avoid god.

Especially when there are a great number of scientists who do believe in god.

Don't most scientists, whether Christian or not, have to fall in line with the prevailing naturalism rampant in scientific circles? If I'm not mistaken, naturalism already precludes the existence of God.

Originally posted by epiphinehas
Don't most scientists, whether Christian or not, have to fall in line with the prevailing naturalism rampant in scientific circles? If I'm not mistaken, naturalism already precludes the existence of God.

Deus sive natura.

Originally posted by David C
Actually, I consider the irony to be that anyone still feels "fine tuning" to be any sort of valid argument that requires investigation or hypotheses. Fine, the conditions in the universe led to, but will not end with, our species in this tiny corner of an immense galaxy in this ever-expanding universe. It did not, however, lead to talking lions or sentient ...[text shortened]... I think this may be something we need to be on the watch out for. "[/quote]

..

It is not so easy as you claim to discount the fine-tuning argument.

The Cosmological Constant poses a genuine problem ("the cosmological constant problem" to be exact) to cosmologists in search of a naturalistic solution to how our universe came to be as it is. For instance, in order to have a flat universe this Cosmological Constant must be "fine-tuned" to one part in 1 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000. And the Cosmological Constant, it so happens, turned out to be exactly that.

In short, physicists can't explain why the initial conditions of our universe, the laws which govern everything, were so precisely tuned to produce a stationary universe. Since for naturalists it is unimaginable that our universe may have a Creator, they have to resort to alternate explanations, no matter how ridiculous. It is not for no reason that physicists are seriously considering that there may be an infinite amount of universes, among other theories, in order to make the apparent fine-tuning of our universe inevitable and unsurprising.