Have scientists become fantasists...

...just to avoid God?

I've been watching a well-produced program called, "What We Still Don't Know." The subject matter is fascinating, though I've been rolling my eyes throughout.

I find it amusing, for instance, that when faced with the discovery of the Cosmological Constant, a newly discovered law of nature which supposedly makes it too difficult to accept that the universe was fine-tuned for life by accident, scientists, unable to bear the relatively simple possibility that the universe had a Creator, fumbled around for a different explanation; namely, that there exist an infinite number of other universes besides our own, each with its own unique "big bang" established natural laws, making the apparent fine-tuning of our universe unsurprising, even inevitable. This gives rise to the possibility that a vastly superior intelligence exists within another universe, with the added possibility that our universe may be a computer simulation created by said superior intelligence.

Oh, the irony.
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Here's the video for interested parties:

http://video.google.fr/videosearch?q=what%20we%20still%20don%27t%20know#

I think it's quite the faulty generalization and a faulty assumption that scientists come to their conclusions to avoid god.

Especially when there are a great number of scientists who do believe in god.

If, by christians, god is the creator of the universe and everything, he must also be the creator of the laws of physics, right? So by doing research of physics, then this is the ultimate research about god, right? To know the inner essence of god must be to know the whats and whys of phsycis, right?

And the opposite, by denying physics in every detail, and further, to to ridicule physicists, is to deny the knowledge of the true god and his intentions with his creation, shortly to deny god in his entirety.

So wanting to know about the constants of nature, is wanting to know god. If this god is not the one described in the bible, then the god of the bible must be an invention by ignorant people, who not want to know about the real god, the one who actually created the universe, right?

Everyone believing in intelligent design must agree with me here.
To believe in intelligent design and, at the same time, distrust the evolution - is an oxymoron.

Originally posted by epiphinehas
...just to avoid God?

I've been watching a well-produced program called, "What We Still Don't Know."

Originally posted by epiphinehas
Oh, the irony.

posted by Douglas Adams
". . . imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in, an interesting hole I find myself in, fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!' This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, it's still frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be alright, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise. I think this may be something we need to be on the watch out for. "

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
How can we know what we still don't know?

with all due respect, yes when we observe the physical universe and the wonderful laws that guide its mechanisms, we are in awe, and thus as you have stated those advocates of intelligent design in creation would agree with what you are saying, however its not the science that is the problem, but the theory of evolution is in itself unscientific.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
with all due respect, yes when we observe the physical universe and the wonderful laws that guide its mechanisms, we are in awe, and thus as you have stated those advocates of intelligent design in creation would agree with what you are saying, however its not the science that is the problem, but the theory of evolution is in itself unscientific.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
If, by christians, god is the creator of the universe and everything, he must also be the creator of the laws of physics, right? So by doing research of physics, then this is the ultimate research about god, right? To know the inner essence of god must be to know the whats and whys of phsycis, right?

And the opposite, by denying physics in every detail ...[text shortened]... To believe in intelligent design and, at the same time, distrust the evolution - is an oxymoron.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
The theory of evolution is in indeed scientific. Anyone stating it is unscientific is himself either ignorant of science and its methods, or evolution.
Creationism, or intelligent design on the other hand, is religious, and therefore unscientific.

Biological evolution is a change in the genetic characteristics of a population over time. That this happens is a fact. Biological evolution also refers to the common descent of living organisms from shared ancestors. The evidence for historical evolution genetic, fossil, anatomical, etc, is so overwhelming that it is also considered a fact. The theory of evolution describes the mechanisms that cause evolution. So evolution is both a fact and a theory.
From Talkorigins.

"Let me try to make crystal clear what is established beyond reasonable doubt, and what needs further study, about evolution. Evolution as a process that has always gone on in the history of the earth can be doubted only by those who are ignorant of the evidence or are resistant to evidence, owing to emotional blocks or to plain bigotry. By contrast, the mechanisms that bring evolution about certainly need study and clarification. There are no alternatives to evolution as history that can withstand critical examination. Yet we are constantly learning new and important facts about evolutionary mechanisms."

- Theodosius Dobzhansky

i am not going into it Fabian, it is built on a premise, cannot be subject to falsification and the scientific model, its tenets are flimsy to say the least, mutations are essentially destructive, there is no, and i repeat there is no evidence for the transmigration of one species to another, the fossil record does not show a gradual transmigration of one species to another, therefore punctuated equilibrium was invented, there have been numerous attempts, as in the case of the notorious ramapithecus and others to provide a so called missing link, which were nothing more than falsehood and pure fabrication despite the fact that there is more than 100 million extant fossils, and so it goes on and on, please it is very disrespectful to constantly harp on about ignorance when it is simply not true, we have examined the evidence and it simply not satisfactory,believe it if you want to, but do not term others ignorant simply because they do not, based on the available 'evidence'.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
i am not going into it Fabian, it is built on a premise, cannot be subject to falsification and the scientific model, its tenets are flimsy to say the least, mutations are essentially destructive, there is no, and i repeat there is no evidence for the transmigration of one species to another, the fossil record does not show a gradual transmigration o ...[text shortened]... but do not term others ignorant simply because they do not, based on the available 'evidence'.

i have in the past went to great lengths to show, with reference! that it is indeed unscientific, believe what you will.

Originally posted by epiphinehas
...just to avoid God?

I've been watching a well-produced program called, "What We Still Don't Know." The subject matter is fascinating, though I've been rolling my eyes throughout.

I find it amusing, for instance, that when faced with the discovery of the Cosmological Constant, a newly discovered law of nature which supposedly makes it too difficu ted parties:

http://video.google.fr/videosearch?q=what%20we%20still%20don%27t%20know#