Originally posted by epiphinehasActually, I consider the irony to be that anyone still feels "fine tuning" to be any sort of valid argument that requires investigation or hypotheses. Fine, the conditions in the universe led to, but will not end with, our species in this tiny corner of an immense galaxy in this ever-expanding universe. It did not, however, lead to talking lions or sentient bananas, dragons, leprechauns, a fog that will turn you inside out, a six-eyed blue Jabberwocky, or anything else that does not actually exist...here, anyway.
Oh, the irony.
posted by Douglas Adams
". . . imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in, an interesting hole I find myself in, fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!' This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, it's still frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be alright, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise. I think this may be something we need to be on the watch out for. "
Originally posted by Bosse de NageEasy. There are a lot of things we don't know - yet.
How can we know what we still don't know?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe theory of evolution is in indeed scientific. Anyone stating it is unscientific is himself either ignorant of science and its methods, or evolution.
with all due respect, yes when we observe the physical universe and the wonderful laws that guide its mechanisms, we are in awe, and thus as you have stated those advocates of intelligent design in creation would agree with what you are saying, however its not the science that is the problem, but the theory of evolution is in itself unscientific.
Originally posted by FabianFnasThis is fine with me
If, by christians, god is the creator of the universe and everything, he must also be the creator of the laws of physics, right? So by doing research of physics, then this is the ultimate research about god, right? To know the inner essence of god must be to know the whats and whys of phsycis, right?
And the opposite, by denying physics in every detail ...[text shortened]... To believe in intelligent design and, at the same time, distrust the evolution - is an oxymoron.
Originally posted by FabianFnasMy Gota Enemy
The theory of evolution is in indeed scientific. Anyone stating it is unscientific is himself either ignorant of science and its methods, or evolution.
Creationism, or intelligent design on the other hand, is religious, and therefore unscientific.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThere is no scientific theory that better explains the variety of species scientifically than the theory of evolution, starting with Darwin.
i am not going into it Fabian, it is built on a premise, cannot be subject to falsification and the scientific model, its tenets are flimsy to say the least, mutations are essentially destructive, there is no, and i repeat there is no evidence for the transmigration of one species to another, the fossil record does not show a gradual transmigration o ...[text shortened]... but do not term others ignorant simply because they do not, based on the available 'evidence'.
Originally posted by epiphinehasI was and still am a fan of Carl Sagan (RIP) and have an old copy of his series COSMOS on VHS.
...just to avoid God?
I've been watching a well-produced program called, "What We Still Don't Know." The subject matter is fascinating, though I've been rolling my eyes throughout.
I find it amusing, for instance, that when faced with the discovery of the Cosmological Constant, a newly discovered law of nature which supposedly makes it too difficu ted parties: