Originally posted by josephw
I'm glad God is the one defining the terms and not you.
Everything that exists is the evidence for the creator God. That's all you need and all you'll get. When you quit denying it, then you will know more. Until then your perceptions are limited to your immediate environment.
This is wrong.
For the universe to be evidence for god, the observation of it's existence must make
the explanation that it was created by god more likely than any [and all] other potential
To be proof of the same it must make the explanation that god did it more likely beyond
whatever threshold of probability is agreed upon as the threshold of proof in this field.
There are a whole slew of highly effective means of demonstrating that it is in fact vastly
more probable that the universe could have formed naturally [as opposed to supernaturally]
and a host of philosophical arguments that demonstrate that you simply cannot get from
the universe exists to it must have a creator to that creator is god.
These arguments are made on a regular basis and you must have read [if not comprehended]
So saying to us that everything exists is evidence for god is both wrong and stupid.
You know we are never going to accept that argument as it is multiply refuted.
It thus doesn't prove that god exists, you thus have not, and cannot prove god exists,
and thus cannot know that god exists.
To prove me wrong you must prove to ME that you can prove god exists, BY proving
that god exists.