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Has anyone read A Natural History of Nonsense? I'm told that the author has much to say about the intellectual history of the logic that produced Creationism and the Birthers, although he was writing more than half a century ago.
Originally posted by WulebgrI think that I heard that that book was not actually written. Rather it came flying out of the wreckage of a tornado that cut through a print factory in the Midwest 50 years ago. It was an accident.
Has anyone read A Natural History of Nonsense? I'm told that the author has much to say about the intellectual history of the logic that produced Creationism and the Birthers, although he was writing more than half a century ago.
Originally posted by jaywillWhat exactly is the sum of your knowledge of evolutionary theory? Would I be right in guessing that your only source of education is a child's copy of 1001 Pictures of Animals through the Ages, now with join the dots?
I think that I heard that that book was not actually written. Rather it came flying out of the wreckage of a tornado that cut through a print factory in the Midwest 50 years ago. It was an accident.
Apparently in the turmoil, some of the "chapters' randomly were blown together to appear to discuss something about the nonsense of Creationsim.
Originally posted by Conrau KFew Questions: (1) With chess as an illustrative metaphor, doesn't faith/belief in evolution theory premise that an impersonal 'box'
What exactly is the sum of your knowledge of evolutionary theory? Would I be right in guessing that your only source of education is a child's copy of 1001 Pictures of Animals through the Ages, now with join the dots?
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyDoesn't this presuppose quite a lot? For instance, that the game is going well. It is quite likely that while you stubbornly cling to a bronze age belief system an unstoppable big rock will randomly strike the earth and end our little game. Isn't it the very zenith of arrogance to take for granted your position in the universe?
Few Questions: (1) With chess as an illustrative metaphor, doesn't faith/belief in [b]evolution theory premise that an impersonal 'box'
somehow gradually arrived at all of the necessary tactical decisions, made the correct sequential moves and got the end result of the
game right? (2) What dynamics enabled the 'box' to originate its own universal strategy in the first place? (3) Who made the 'box'?[/b]
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyYou will need to clarify your question. I would think that anything capable of tactical decisions would have some level of personhood, and could not be described as a mere impersonal 'box'.
Few Questions: (1) With chess as an illustrative metaphor, doesn't faith/belief in [b]evolution theory premise that an impersonal 'box'
somehow gradually arrived at all of the necessary tactical decisions, made the correct sequential moves and got the end result of the
game right? (2) What dynamics enabled the 'box' to originate its own universal strategy in the first place? (3) Who made the 'box'?[/b]
Originally posted by Conrau K==================================
What exactly is the sum of your knowledge of evolutionary theory? Would I be right in guessing that your only source of education is a child's copy of 1001 Pictures of Animals through the Ages, now with join the dots?
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Doesn't this presuppose quite a lot? For instance, that the game is going well. It is quite likely that while you stubbornly cling to a bronze age belief system an unstoppable big rock will randomly strike the earth and end our little game. Isn't it the very zenith of arrogance to take for granted your position in the universe?
Likewise, can you not and you could surely make better arguments for your cause. You do your beliefs a disservice.
Originally posted by Conrau K"... have some level of personhood, and could not be described as a mere impersonal 'box'."
You will need to clarify your question. I would think that anything capable of tactical decisions would have some level of personhood, and could not be described as a mere impersonal 'box'.
Originally posted by jaywillWow so many question marks. I'll have a shot.
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If a maker made the box then who made the maker -
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Now that's a good question ! WHO made the Maker ??
Who made the maker?
And who made the maker of that maker?
And who made the maker of that maker?
And who made the maker of the maker of the maker of the maker ?
Etc ...[text shortened]... ss evolve? And where did it all start then?
Infinite regress works both ways. Doesn't it?[/b]
Originally posted by jaywillSo exactly what was the point of your first post?
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What exactly is the sum of your knowledge of evolutionary theory? Would I be right in guessing that your only source of education is a child's copy of 1001 Pictures of Animals through the Ages, now with join the dots?
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What theory ? Evolution is the gift to mankind from ...[text shortened]... ight in guessing that your only source of education is The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins?[/b][/b]
Originally posted by jaywillNow you're cooking with fire, Sherlock! Indeed, I never claimed to be able to explain the universe. I am content to whirl in place like a good cog and let the observable facts speak for themselves. I suspect that most people that dredge up evolution every time they need an ego-inflating punching bag do not have the slightest idea what the scientific method is - not a single solitary clue. No scientist believes in evolution in the same way that some people believe a tribe of wandering bronze-age con-artists knew the secrets of the universe. It doesn't make any sense to say that you 'believe in evolution' in that way. If observable facts stacked one on top of another pointed to the conclusion that all humankind developed from strawberry plants (as some human brains seem to indicate) then that would be the current conclusion. Science is just trying to understand the universe - not explain it. An open mind, a seeking spirit, a sense of humility, and a deep compassion can take you anywhere except certitude. An honest person must be able to live with uncertainty. They should be tolerant of others because honestly they know more about what they don't know than what they do. If you lose that feeling it can only be because you've lied to yourself.
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If a maker made the box then who made the maker -
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Now that's a good question ! WHO made the Maker ??
Who made the maker?
And who made the maker of that maker?
And who made the maker of that maker?
And who made the maker of the maker of the maker of the maker ?
Etc ...[text shortened]... ss evolve? And where did it all start then?
Infinite regress works both ways. Doesn't it?[/b]
Originally posted by jaywill"Dreamers dreaming dreams of dreams dreaming dreamers."
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If a maker made the box then who made the maker -
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Now that's a good question ! WHO made the Maker ??
Who made the maker?
And who made the maker of that maker?
And who made the maker of that maker?
And who made the maker of the maker of the maker of the maker ?
Etc ...[text shortened]... ss evolve? And where did it all start then?
Infinite regress works both ways. Doesn't it?[/b]
Originally posted by jaywilla roomful of monkeys with typewriters?
I think that I heard that that book was not actually written. Rather it came flying out of the wreckage of a tornado that cut through a print factory in the Midwest 50 years ago. It was an accident.
Apparently in the turmoil, some of the "chapters' randomly were blown together to appear to discuss something about the nonsense of Creationsim.