1. Standard memberDasa
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    A thinking person must ask themselves how the perfect language of Sanskrit is found existing long before the Pyramids of Egypt and long before the Roman Empire and way before anything at all actually.

    Not only that, but a perfect language which has given the world the Srimad Bhagavatam of 18,000 verses / just like this one verse posted up here for your benefit.

    This Srimad Bhagavatam Vedic literature is just one Vedic literature out of thousands.


    Srimad Bhagavatam Chp2

    TEXT 8
    dharmaḥ svanuṣṭhitaḥ puṁsāṁ
    viṣvaksena-kathāsu yaḥ
    notpādayed yadi ratiṁ
    śrama eva hi kevalam

    SYNONYMS
    dharmaḥ—occupation; svanuṣṭhitaḥ—executed in terms of one's own position; puṁsām—of humankind; viṣvaksena—the Personality of Godhead (plenary portion); kathāsu—in the message of; yaḥ—what is; na—not; utpādayet—does produce; yadi—if; ratim—attraction; śramaḥ—useless labor; eva—only; hi—certainly; kevalam—entirely.

    TRANSLATION
    The occupational activities a man performs according to his own position are only so much useless labor if they do not provoke attraction for the message of the Personality of Godhead.

    PURPORT
    There are different occupational activities in terms of man's different conceptions of life. To the gross materialist who cannot see anything beyond the gross material body, there is nothing beyond the senses. Therefore his occupational activities are limited to concentrated and extended selfishness. Concentrated selfishness centers around the personal body-this is generally seen amongst the lower animals. Extended selfishness is manifested in human society and centers around the family, society, community, nation and world with a view to gross bodily comfort. Above these gross materialists are the mental speculators who hover aloft in the mental spheres, and their occupational duties involve making poetry and philosophy or propagating some ism with the same aim of selfishness limited to the body and the mind. But above the body and mind is the dormant spirit soul whose absence from the body makes the whole range of bodily and mental selfishness completely null and void. But less intelligent people have no information of the needs of the spirit soul.

    Because foolish people have no information of the soul and how it is beyond the purview of the body and mind, they are not satisfied in the performance of their occupational duties. The question of the satisfaction of the self is raised herein. The self is beyond the gross body and subtle mind. He is the potent active principle of the body and mind. Without knowing the need of the dormant soul, one cannot be happy simply with emolument of the body and mind. The body and the mind are but superfluous outer coverings of the spirit soul. The spirit soul's needs must be fulfilled. Simply by cleansing the cage of the bird, one does not satisfy the bird. One must actually know the needs of the bird himself.

    The need of the spirit soul is that he wants to get out of the limited sphere of material bondage and fulfill his desire for complete freedom. He wants to get out of the covered walls of the greater universe. He wants to see the free light and the spirit. That complete freedom is achieved when he meets the complete spirit, the Personality of Godhead. There is a dormant affection for God within everyone; spiritual existence is manifested through the gross body and mind in the form of perverted affection for gross and subtle matter.

    Therefore we have to engage ourselves in occupational engagements that will evoke our divine consciousness. This is possible only by hearing and chanting the divine activities of the Supreme Lord, and any occupational activity which does not help one to achieve attachment for hearing and chanting the transcendental message of Godhead is said herein to be simply a waste of time. This is because other occupational duties (whatever ism they may belong to) cannot give liberation to the soul. Even the activities of the salvationists are considered to be useless because of their failure to pick up the fountainhead of all liberties.

    The gross materialist can practically see that his material gain is limited only to time and space, either in this world or in the other. Even if he goes up to the Svargaloka, he will find no permanent abode for his hankering soul. The hankering soul must be satisfied by the perfect scientific process of perfect devotional service.

    Note: So thinking people............how is the worlds most perfect language and the world's most perfect literature / existing at the dawn of time?
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    19 Nov '14 23:07
    Well, Sanskrit is a refined language it is true, but it has been dated to around the second millennium B.C., the first Egyptian pyramids were build by Djoser around 2,650 B.C and the Great Pyramid was built around 2550 B.C.. So I doubt your claim that it predates the pyramids and I severely doubt your claim that it is a perfect language provided by divine agency, but rather a refined variant of pre-existing languages.
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    19 Nov '14 23:11
    Originally posted by Dasa
    A thinking person must ask themselves how the perfect language of Sanskrit is found existing long before the Pyramids of Egypt and long before the Roman Empire and way before anything at all actually.

    Not only that, but a perfect language which has given the world the Srimad Bhagavatam of 18,000 verses / just like this one verse posted up here for your benef ...[text shortened]... most perfect language and the world's most perfect literature / existing at the dawn of time?
    why would two lines of the worlds most perfect language take so many lines to explain what it means and still not make any sense.
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    19 Nov '14 23:36
    Originally posted by Dasa
    A thinking person must ask themselves how the perfect language of Sanskrit is found existing long before the Pyramids of Egypt and long before the Roman Empire and way before anything at all actually.

    Not only that, but a perfect language which has given the world the Srimad Bhagavatam of 18,000 verses / just like this one verse posted up here for your benef ...[text shortened]... most perfect language and the world's most perfect literature / existing at the dawn of time?
    to this i reply with Proverbs 12 from the one and only true word of God:

    12:1 The one who loves discipline loves knowledge, 1
    but the one who hates reproof is stupid. 2
    12:2 A good person obtains favor from the Lord,
    but the Lord 3 condemns a person with wicked schemes. 4
    12:3 No one 5 can be established 6 through wickedness,
    but a righteous root 7 cannot be moved.
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    19 Dec '14 04:262 edits
    What do you would like to achieve with this post? Indicating how malicious JW's are? Doesn't that place you in a comparable situation as shia assaulting Sunni? Baptists assaulting Methodists? Precisely what is to be picked up by such assaults?

    Obviously there are terrible individuals in all religions. What is there about JW that provokes you up?


    NoorAlamShahzad
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    19 Dec '14 04:45
    Originally posted by deenny
    why would two lines of the worlds most perfect language take so many lines to explain what it means and still not make any sense.
    The term "mumbo jumbo" itself was originally a Sanskrit word.
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    19 Dec '14 04:47
    Originally posted by HarryJohon
    What do you would like to achieve with this post? Indicating how malicious JW's are? Doesn't that place you in a comparable situation as shia assaulting Sunni? Baptists assaulting Methodists? Precisely what is to be picked up by such assaults?

    Obviously there are terrible individuals in all religions. What is there about JW that provokes you up?


    NoorAlamShahzad
    Far be it from me to judge but I would suggest that this post of yours is a wee bit off topic.
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