Originally posted by FabianFnasThen you need a different argument to refute mine on this thread.
I used your notion of his omnipotence to contradict your own notion. Nothing more.
If you accept that God can be afraid of what isn't there, then go into the other thread and post my claims here as a refutation of my claims there. I can answer there.
BUT...
...you still haven't answered me here.
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Originally posted by FabianFnasThere are Gods and there are idols. The English word 'god' can be applied to either though you will likely see God capitalized if it is used in the literal sense. Is that so with the original Hebrew? It is my understanding that the first commandment speaks of idols.
What does the first commandment say?
Why is he afraid of other gods if there are no other gods?
Like me saying I'm afraid of pink elephants if I know there aren't any. By being scared of them I know that there are pink elephants.
So if god aknowledge other gods, being scared of them, then there are, right?
Originally posted by PalynkaPlease, put the qeustion again. I thought I did answer the question, yet perhaps I answered another question.
Then you need a different argument to refute mine on this thread.
If you accept that God can be afraid of what isn't there, then go into the other thread and post my claims here as a refutation of my claims there. I can answer there.
BUT...
...you still haven't answered me here.
Originally posted by darvlayPlease, can you quote the first comandement so we are talking about the same thing, in the same language.
There are Gods and there are idols. The English word 'god' can be applied to either though you will likely see God capitalized if it is used in the literal sense. Is that so with the original Hebrew? It is my understanding that the first commandment speaks of idols.
I only have my Swedish bible, and that one is chrystal clear.
Originally posted by FabianFnasExodus 20: 2-6
Please, can you quote the first comandement so we are talking about the same thing, in the same language.
I only have my Swedish bible, and that one is chrystal clear.
2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; 3 you shall have no other gods before me.
4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me, 6 but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.
Originally posted by darvlay"you shall have no other gods before me."
Exodus 20: 2-6
2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; 3 you shall have no other gods before me.
4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down t ...[text shortened]... owing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.
This says it all. There is a plural form: 'gods', and this is the word of god himself. There are gods, not only one. Bible has spoketh.
Originally posted by FabianFnasOh, so the Bible is completely literal and etymology is not important. OK.
"you shall have no other gods before me."
This says it all. There is a plural form: 'gods', and this is the word of god himself. There are gods, not only one. Bible has spoketh.
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Originally posted by darvlayIf I say to my girlfriend: "You shall have no other boyfriends beside me!", then I say that there are other boys that she can have besides me, and this I don't like.
Oh, so the Bible is completely literal and etymology is not important. OK.
It has no meaning to say: "You shall not have any pink elephants in our bedroom!" She will laugh at me because there are no pink elephants, so this 'commandment' is of no meaning at all. Whenever she finds a pink elephant, I can without any danger invite it into our bedroom. Fat chance, I'd say.
So when god tells the people that they cannot have any other gods beside him, then he is clearly afraid that the people will go and find another god. Isn't there any other god, then the commandment is meningless. Do we laugh? No.
Originally posted by FabianFnasI understand your position clearly, Fabian, but thanks for clarifying again anyway.
If I say to my girlfriend: "You shall have no other boyfriends beside me!", then I say that there are other boys that she can have besides me, and this I don't like.
It has no meaning to say: "You shall not have any pink elephants in our bedroom!" She will laugh at me because there are no pink elephants, so this 'commandment' is of no meaning at all. W ...[text shortened]... er god. Isn't there any other god, then the commandment is meningless. Do we laugh? No.
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Originally posted by FabianFnasYou said Why should god be afraid of something which isn't there? He's onnipotent [sic], remember?
Please, put the qeustion again. I thought I did answer the question, yet perhaps I answered another question.
Do you agree that God can be afraid of something which isn't there?
Originally posted by PalynkaWhy should god be afraid to anything? Even if there are a number of gods lurking everywhere, why should god be afraid?
You said Why should god be afraid of something which isn't there? He's onnipotent [sic], remember?
Do you agree that God can be afraid of something which isn't there?
So god is clearly afraid that people can find other gods, existant or non-existant, and avoid this by formulate a commandement expressing this fright.
(Sorry, leaving. Will be back in a few hours. Not that I'm afraid of anything... 😉 )
Originally posted by FabianFnasCitations please. I have a copy of the whole Bible, and use it for all three Abrahamic faiths. If you give me a citation in the Bible that implies or states the existence of gods other than God, I will give you my citation.
A real reference, of what? Other gods than the christian god? Well, we have Baal, we have Mammon, we have a lot of other gods mentionned in the bible. Is this what you mean?