Originally posted by FabianFnas I used your notion of his omnipotence to contradict your own notion. Nothing more.
Then you need a different argument to refute mine on this thread.
If you accept that God can be afraid of what isn't there, then go into the other thread and post my claims here as a refutation of my claims there. I can answer there.
Originally posted by FabianFnas What does the first commandment say?
Why is he afraid of other gods if there are no other gods?
Like me saying I'm afraid of pink elephants if I know there aren't any. By being scared of them I know that there are pink elephants.
So if god aknowledge other gods, being scared of them, then there are, right?
There are Gods and there are idols. The English word 'god' can be applied to either though you will likely see God capitalized if it is used in the literal sense. Is that so with the original Hebrew? It is my understanding that the first commandment speaks of idols.
Originally posted by Palynka Then you need a different argument to refute mine on this thread.
If you accept that God can be afraid of what isn't there, then go into the other thread and post my claims here as a refutation of my claims there. I can answer there.
BUT...
...you still haven't answered me here.
Please, put the qeustion again. I thought I did answer the question, yet perhaps I answered another question.
Originally posted by darvlay There are Gods and there are idols. The English word 'god' can be applied to either though you will likely see God capitalized if it is used in the literal sense. Is that so with the original Hebrew? It is my understanding that the first commandment speaks of idols.
Please, can you quote the first comandement so we are talking about the same thing, in the same language.
I only have my Swedish bible, and that one is chrystal clear.
Originally posted by FabianFnas Please, can you quote the first comandement so we are talking about the same thing, in the same language.
I only have my Swedish bible, and that one is chrystal clear.
Exodus 20: 2-6
2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; 3 you shall have no other gods before me.
4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me, 6 but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.
2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; 3 you shall have no other gods before me.
4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down t ...[text shortened]... owing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.
"you shall have no other gods before me."
This says it all. There is a plural form: 'gods', and this is the word of god himself. There are gods, not only one. Bible has spoketh.
Originally posted by darvlay Oh, so the Bible is completely literal and etymology is not important. OK.
If I say to my girlfriend: "You shall have no other boyfriends beside me!", then I say that there are other boys that she can have besides me, and this I don't like.
It has no meaning to say: "You shall not have any pink elephants in our bedroom!" She will laugh at me because there are no pink elephants, so this 'commandment' is of no meaning at all. Whenever she finds a pink elephant, I can without any danger invite it into our bedroom. Fat chance, I'd say.
So when god tells the people that they cannot have any other gods beside him, then he is clearly afraid that the people will go and find another god. Isn't there any other god, then the commandment is meningless. Do we laugh? No.
Originally posted by FabianFnas If I say to my girlfriend: "You shall have no other boyfriends beside me!", then I say that there are other boys that she can have besides me, and this I don't like.
It has no meaning to say: "You shall not have any pink elephants in our bedroom!" She will laugh at me because there are no pink elephants, so this 'commandment' is of no meaning at all. W ...[text shortened]... er god. Isn't there any other god, then the commandment is meningless. Do we laugh? No.
I understand your position clearly, Fabian, but thanks for clarifying again anyway.
Originally posted by scherzo I'll give you a reference when you give me a real reference.
A real reference, of what? Other gods than the christian god? Well, we have Baal, we have Mammon, we have a lot of other gods mentionned in the bible. Is this what you mean?
Originally posted by FabianFnas A real reference, of what? Other gods than the christian god? Well, we have Baal, we have Mammon, we have a lot of other gods mentionned in the bible. Is this what you mean?
Citations please. I have a copy of the whole Bible, and use it for all three Abrahamic faiths. If you give me a citation in the Bible that implies or states the existence of gods other than God, I will give you my citation.
31 Mar '09 15:27
How many gods?
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