13 Sep 05
Originally posted by widgetWhen I grew up in Wales baptist and other non conformists were associated with radical socialism
I think there are probably an overwhelming percentage on non-christian conservatives in Asia.
Remember Tianamen Square? Reactionary ideology is associated with most religious. It's the mindset.
13 Sep 05
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Originally posted by Joe FistI am not looking for any answer, nor am I looking for what it "should" be.
I think I know the answer you are looking for but in actuality I think it should be zero. Where I can see the relationship does exist it really should not.
Everyone else, excellent points. Thinking on this I don't know whether I had any reasonable basis for implying whatever I implied.
13 Sep 05
Originally posted by AThousandYoungChristianity is too broad. Born Again Xtianity is strongly correlated with conservatism (here I mean right-wing Republicanism) in part because they intersect on social values (the conservative social values of Republicanism is likely caused by evangelical xtianity). The interesting part is how many of these born againer's adopt Right-winger Republican economic views (The Bible doesn't say anything about big military spending, low capital taxation, and zero redistribution to the poor). I believe this is due to the formation of political blocks. They chose some time ago to get into bed with one another in order to acquire political power. After a while, the Born Again's started buying the neocon's economic philosophy (BA's aren't exactly critical thinkers after all, and Reagan was an actor before being President.)
I am not looking for any answer, nor am I looking for what it "should" be.
Everyone else, excellent points. Thinking on this I don't know whether I had any reasonable basis for implying whatever I implied.
14 Sep 05
Originally posted by AThousandYoungYou didn't. It's not christianity per se... it's the religious frame of mind that predisposes folks to seeking authority figures and trying to maintain the status quo at all costs.
I am not looking for any answer, nor am I looking for what it "should" be.
Everyone else, excellent points. Thinking on this I don't know whether I had any reasonable basis for implying whatever I implied.
I have previously (somethread else) mentioned a book by Julian Jaynes called "The Origin Of Consciousness In The Breakdown Of The Bicameral Mind". This book deals with how we become hardwired to accept & even seek out authority figures. It all ties in together. It's a biological predisposition, of sorts, passed on through cutural behaviour... survival of the least adventurous.
However, as e.e.cummings once wrote:
"pity this busy monster, manunkind,
not. Progress is a comfortable disease:
your victim (death and life safely beyond)
plays with the bigness of his littleness
--- electrons deify one razorblade
into a mountainrange; lenses extend
unwish through curving wherewhen till unwish
returns on its unself.
A world of made
is not a world of born --- pity poor flesh
and trees, poor stars and stones, but never this
fine specimen of hypermagical
ultraomnipotence. We doctors know
a hopeless case if --- listen: there's a hell
of a good universe next door; let's go"
17 Sep 05
Originally posted by HalitoseI think he meant you're just not very good at critical thinking , not that the attempt isn't there .
Telerion said: [b]BA's aren't exactly critical thinkers after all
Objection your honour! Speculation and inflammatory! ðŸ˜
I'm a critical thinker. I'm very critical of your thinking that BA's aren't critical thinkers. I'm also critical of many other things, such as the French.[/b]
Interesting topic though . I just talked to two friends who are a little right of moderate politically , but not religious . They are just as disturbed by the right's courting of evangelical xtians as the left seems to be . But they put it down to a "there's one in every crowd" mentality . They were quick to point out that the left has a somewhat radical fringe with their own dogma (radical environmentalists for example) .