1. SubscriberAThousandYoung
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    Give me your best estimate. 50%? 20%?
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    13 Sep '05 18:29
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Give me your best estimate. 50%? 20%?
    I think I know the answer you are looking for but in actuality I think it should be zero. Where I can see the relationship does exist it really should not.
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    13 Sep '05 18:31
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Give me your best estimate. 50%? 20%?
    What exactly do you mean by "being conservative"? There are many people who are conservative, but not Christian. Do you mean being a typical conservative American?
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    13 Sep '05 18:34
    The positive correlation between Christianity and conservativism is an illusion.

    Suppose Christ had never existed. Would you be inclined to think that there would be no conservatives today?
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    13 Sep '05 18:371 edit
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Give me your best estimate. 50%? 20%?
    I think there are probably an overwhelming percentage on non-christian conservatives in Asia.

    Remember Tianamen Square? Reactionary ideology is associated with most religious. It's the mindset.
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    13 Sep '05 18:41
    Originally posted by widget
    I think there are probably an overwhelming percentage on non-christian conservatives in Asia.

    Remember Tianamen Square? Reactionary ideology is associated with most religious. It's the mindset.
    When I grew up in Wales baptist and other non conformists were associated with radical socialism
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    13 Sep '05 18:49
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Give me your best estimate. 50%? 20%?
    0%
  8. SubscriberAThousandYoung
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    13 Sep '05 19:181 edit
    Originally posted by Joe Fist
    I think I know the answer you are looking for but in actuality I think it should be zero. Where I can see the relationship does exist it really should not.
    I am not looking for any answer, nor am I looking for what it "should" be.

    Everyone else, excellent points. Thinking on this I don't know whether I had any reasonable basis for implying whatever I implied.
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    13 Sep '05 19:55
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    I am not looking for any answer, nor am I looking for what it "should" be.

    Everyone else, excellent points. Thinking on this I don't know whether I had any reasonable basis for implying whatever I implied.
    Christianity is too broad. Born Again Xtianity is strongly correlated with conservatism (here I mean right-wing Republicanism) in part because they intersect on social values (the conservative social values of Republicanism is likely caused by evangelical xtianity). The interesting part is how many of these born againer's adopt Right-winger Republican economic views (The Bible doesn't say anything about big military spending, low capital taxation, and zero redistribution to the poor). I believe this is due to the formation of political blocks. They chose some time ago to get into bed with one another in order to acquire political power. After a while, the Born Again's started buying the neocon's economic philosophy (BA's aren't exactly critical thinkers after all, and Reagan was an actor before being President.)
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    14 Sep '05 06:37
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    I am not looking for any answer, nor am I looking for what it "should" be.

    Everyone else, excellent points. Thinking on this I don't know whether I had any reasonable basis for implying whatever I implied.
    You didn't. It's not christianity per se... it's the religious frame of mind that predisposes folks to seeking authority figures and trying to maintain the status quo at all costs.

    I have previously (somethread else) mentioned a book by Julian Jaynes called "The Origin Of Consciousness In The Breakdown Of The Bicameral Mind". This book deals with how we become hardwired to accept & even seek out authority figures. It all ties in together. It's a biological predisposition, of sorts, passed on through cutural behaviour... survival of the least adventurous.

    However, as e.e.cummings once wrote:

    "pity this busy monster, manunkind,

    not. Progress is a comfortable disease:
    your victim (death and life safely beyond)

    plays with the bigness of his littleness
    --- electrons deify one razorblade
    into a mountainrange; lenses extend
    unwish through curving wherewhen till unwish
    returns on its unself.
    A world of made
    is not a world of born --- pity poor flesh

    and trees, poor stars and stones, but never this
    fine specimen of hypermagical

    ultraomnipotence. We doctors know

    a hopeless case if --- listen: there's a hell
    of a good universe next door; let's go"
  11. Standard memberHalitose
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    14 Sep '05 07:01
    Telerion said: BA's aren't exactly critical thinkers after all

    Objection your honour! Speculation and inflammatory! 😠

    I'm a critical thinker. I'm very critical of your thinking that BA's aren't critical thinkers. I'm also critical of many other things, such as the French.
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    14 Sep '05 07:281 edit
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Give me your best estimate. 50%? 20%?
    Considering the nature of Christ's dealings with conservatives (Pharisees), I think it is an inverse relationship.
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    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    Considering the nature of Christ's dealings with conservatives (Pharisees), I think it is an inverse relationship.
    Clearly Jesus was a hippy!
  14. Standard memberMoldy Crow
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    17 Sep '05 16:53
    Originally posted by Halitose
    Telerion said: [b]BA's aren't exactly critical thinkers after all

    Objection your honour! Speculation and inflammatory! 😠

    I'm a critical thinker. I'm very critical of your thinking that BA's aren't critical thinkers. I'm also critical of many other things, such as the French.[/b]
    I think he meant you're just not very good at critical thinking , not that the attempt isn't there .

    Interesting topic though . I just talked to two friends who are a little right of moderate politically , but not religious . They are just as disturbed by the right's courting of evangelical xtians as the left seems to be . But they put it down to a "there's one in every crowd" mentality . They were quick to point out that the left has a somewhat radical fringe with their own dogma (radical environmentalists for example) .
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