Once again, from John's Gospel. Jesus did not want to abide ALONE as a Son of God. He wanted to die so that the concealed divinity locked up in His flesh could be released to produce many grains - much fruit. The many grains are made into one loaf.
Christ rose them the prototype, the standard model for mass production of sons of God.
"Truly, truly, I say to you, Unless the grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies. it abides ALONE; but if it dies, it bears much fruit." (John 12:24)
Moonbase calles this the inflated egos for believing this. But Jesus died and rose that He would not be ALONE. It was not only to redeem men through His shed blood. It was to conform them to His image as the prototype God-man in resurrection. (But not in His Godhead)
HIs Father is our Father. His God is our God. And He the Firstborn Son to which all of us who beleive into Him will be conformed to be like Him but not in His Godhead.
"Because those whom He foreknew, He also predestinated to ne conformed to the image of His Son [in resurrection and glory] , that He might be the Firstborn among many brothers." (Romans 8:29)
Saints in Christ, we can forgive Moonsbase for saying we have inflated egos to believe the Scripture.
Some also say for us to stand on the fact that we have been forgiven ALL of our offenses and sins by God is some kind of inflated egotism as well.
It is not inflation of the ego. It is bringing our appreciation of God's salvation up to a more proper level.
@sonship saidI should think humility would a more proper attitude to take to having been forgiven all one's sins, than an expectation of eventual deification.
Saints in Christ, we can forgive Moonsbase for saying we have inflated egos to believe the Scripture.
Some also say for us to stand on the fact that we have been forgiven ALL of our offenses and sins by God is some kind of inflated egotism as well.
It is not inflation of the ego. It is bringing our appreciation of God's salvation up to a more proper level.
I should think humility would a more proper attitude to take to having been forgiven all one's sins, than an expectation of eventual deification.
I am going to take another look at your Greek word post.
My response was not on a languae issue as I do not purport to fluently read or
write Koine Greek. But I am not intimidated by it.
I believe my immediate response over there was to show that God had and has many angelic beings who are glorious. If just making more creatures who were glorious was His goal He still had plenty of angels and could create more.
Man was something new. For man, made of the dust of this universe, was a vessel meant to contain the life of God within His created life. This was a new matter in the universe. Even the most glorious of angelic beings, the Daystar [Lucifer] did not have the divine life of God imparted into him. But he surely was perfect in beauty and splendid.
So the glorification FROM WITHIN by the indwelling life of God was a new matter in the universe. Yet it was the good pleasure of His will do predestinate some of these dusty beings to this union and mingling of God and man.
The glory of the sons of God not merely that which is bestowed upon them from without. It is the blossoming out from within of the life of the Triune God dispensed into them.
Herein lies the major difference between the gloroius angels and the redeemed men of dust glorified. And the angels are our servants to this salvation.
"Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth for the service for the sake of those who are to inherit salvation?" (Hebrews 1:14)
I should think humility would a more proper attitude to take to having been forgiven all one's sins, than an expectation of eventual deification.
There is no deification if Christ cannot be also enjoyed as outr humlity.
Hummility, yes,
Unbelief, no.
The divine sonship is according to God's good pleasure.
To resist the process would be unbelief and rebellion, not humility.
I already spoke to TWO aspects of out rtelationship with the Almighty.
Therefore be humbled under the mighty hand of God that He may exalt you in due time." (1 Pet. 5:6)
You see? Humility before God . . . THAT God may exalt those so humbled in His due time. To say "due time" will never come is unbelief not humility.
If a man was a vegetarian from birth and never stopped being a vegetarian, it would be irrational to claim he 'became' a vegetarian at a later date.
Tell the Forum.
Do you believe that the MAN Jesus Christ was God ?
Or if you like it this way - Do you believe that the Bible TEACHES that the MAN
Jesus Christ was God?
I think its a simple question.
( KellyJay, what do you think he'll say ? )
@sonship saidAre you suggesting that man is above angels, on a scale of nearness to divinity?
@moonbus
I should think humility would a more proper attitude to take to having been forgiven all one's sins, than an expectation of eventual deification.
I am going to take another look at your Greek word post.
My response was not on a languae issue as I do not purport to fluently read or
write Koine Greek. But I am not intimida ...[text shortened]... sent forth for the service for the sake of those who are to inherit salvation?" (Hebrews 1:14) [/b]
@sonship saidI do not think Jesus was God. I do not think you will become a God.
Tell the Forum.
Do you believe that the MAN Jesus Christ was God ?
Or if you like it this way - Do you believe that the Bible TEACHES that the MAN
Jesus Christ was God?
I think its a simple question.
( KellyJay, what do you think he'll say ? )
The above is no secret from the forum.
Sonship has talked about man being part of the godhead.
It’s a Witness Lee teaching.
Go to www ministrybooks.org. Use the powerful search engine.
Search on the word "godhead". Probably a thousand and more chapters, thousands of pages, hundreds of books the program can search to find your phrase IF it is there.
Locate and find us a sentence positively saying man become part of the Godhead.
I know you will probably not try.
And Iin place of your innability to save face after having told your boldface lie you will jump to some OTHER complaint you have - torture of billions, space aliens, Jesus watchinh over hell, or something else.
You're stuck on stupid, sorry to say.