1. Standard memberknightmeister
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    04 Feb '08 21:54
    Who here is prepared to admit when they have made a pig's ear of an argument or have just been out debated on something. I know I have had to admit this at least once. Anyone else?

    I'm curious because if one hasn't admitted that someone has actually got a stronger point than yours then how can we say we are being fair and objective?
  2. Standard memberNemesio
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    04 Feb '08 21:59
    Originally posted by knightmeister
    Who here is prepared to admit when they have made a pig's ear of an argument or have just been out debated on something. I know I have had to admit this at least once. Anyone else?

    I'm curious because if one hasn't admitted that someone has actually got a stronger point than yours then how can we say we are being fair and objective?
    DoctorScribbles, vistesd, no1marauder, and most frequently bbarr have
    routinely demonstrated holes in my arguments -- sometimes illustrating
    minor inconsistencies, other times obligating me to abandon my tenets
    wholesale.

    Twitehead, LemonJello, Starrman and a few others have posted things
    which have caused me to re-evaluate things that I haven't posted on;
    that is, I wasn't participating in any discussion, debate, or argument, but
    had I been, I would have been in error.

    I'm sure I'm forgetting a few people.

    Nemesio
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    04 Feb '08 22:151 edit
    Originally posted by knightmeister
    Who here is prepared to admit when they have made a pig's ear of an argument or have just been out debated on something. I know I have had to admit this at least once. Anyone else?

    I'm curious because if one hasn't admitted that someone has actually got a stronger point than yours then how can we say we are being fair and objective?
    Oh ya! Me too. I even thought of starting a thread once enumerating how much I have learned about how I think and how to better frame my arguments. I think I have come a long way since I first started posting in here a year ago.
    I think that on a debate level I've been beat most of the time. 😳
  4. Standard memberAgerg
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    04 Feb '08 22:57
    I too have had to concede I have been wrong on a couple of occasions, I remember Twitehead caught me out once when I was preparing my deathblow to some theist argument long since forgotton. I delivered a point, he jumped in and challenged it, I tried to defend it, he challenged it some more, and I had to realise my position was untenable so I conceded the point. This illustrates the fact that atheists aren't on a mission to attack theists, more we seek to reveal flawed arguments for what they are...flawed (regardless of who makes them). It just so happens that many theist arguments fall into this category.
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    04 Feb '08 23:25
    Originally posted by knightmeister
    Who here is prepared to admit when they have made a pig's ear of an argument or have just been out debated on something. I know I have had to admit this at least once. Anyone else?

    I'm curious because if one hasn't admitted that someone has actually got a stronger point than yours then how can we say we are being fair and objective?
    who here is not human?

    we have all made mistakes....
  6. Standard memberDoctorScribbles
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    04 Feb '08 23:43
    Originally posted by knightmeister
    Who here is prepared to admit when they have made a pig's ear of an argument or have just been out debated on something. I know I have had to admit this at least once. Anyone else?

    I'm curious because if one hasn't admitted that someone has actually got a stronger point than yours then how can we say we are being fair and objective?
    My posts often require numerous edits.
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    05 Feb '08 00:11
    Originally posted by knightmeister
    Who here is prepared to admit when they have made a pig's ear of an argument or have just been out debated on something. I know I have had to admit this at least once. Anyone else?

    I'm curious because if one hasn't admitted that someone has actually got a stronger point than yours then how can we say we are being fair and objective?
    Yeah, I hate doing it, but it's not an infrequent occurrence. Sometimes I just keep quiet thereafter, wallowing in my untenability.
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    05 Feb '08 08:18
    Originally posted by knightmeister
    Who here is prepared to admit when they have made a pig's ear of an argument or have just been out debated on something. I know I have had to admit this at least once. Anyone else?

    I'm curious because if one hasn't admitted that someone has actually got a stronger point than yours then how can we say we are being fair and objective?
    My commonest error is to misunderstand what someone is saying. I try to admit it when I know that has happened. I also try to ensure that I have got it right by rephrasing their statements - but sadly that often comes across as 'mind reading'.
    I do find that my views change during the course of a discussion, as I get to think about it deeper, and there have definitely been times when I have been wrong, and I do try to admit it when I am.
    What annoys me the most is people who have been essentially proved wrong on given points, who not only refuse to admit it, but keep repeating their clearly flawed argument over and over in every thread. Sometimes it is not so much an argument that is the issue but rather terminology that someone is intentionally using wrongly. For example, using the word evolution to mean either The Theory of Evolution or Abiogenesis. Anyone who denies that evolution takes place is outright wrong and plainly so and they almost certainly know it, but posters who are clearly educated enough to know it, still make statements to that effect.
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    05 Feb '08 09:18
    Originally posted by knightmeister
    Who here is prepared to admit when they have made a pig's ear of an argument or have just been out debated on something. I know I have had to admit this at least once. Anyone else?

    I'm curious because if one hasn't admitted that someone has actually got a stronger point than yours then how can we say we are being fair and objective?
    Intellectual dishonesty is lying to yourself.
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    05 Feb '08 11:04
    i make more mistakes in my games, but on the posts i usualy only rant, on. about things i know about, and learn from reading others views tho my spelling and gramma im always making mistakes.
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