Originally posted by KneverKnightNo. The xtians must have their revenge for being mocked. We've called them fools all this time. They only turn the cheek now because they are too weak to do anything about it. Some day though their sky daddy will settle the score. Ah, such is ressentiment
So, we all will be saved?
Originally posted by flyUnityBut surely there are deathbed conversions? Or does the Second Coming kill us all first, making it too late indeed?
a little late
If yes, then I propose that when astronomers find a huge asteroid headed towards Earth, we dub it "J.E.S.U.S." or Just Ending Some Useless Souls.
For any waiting and hoping for a literal return of Jesus in form, I wonder how you will recognize him? By what internal or external criteria?
There's an old saying --
"If a pickpocket saw Jesus on the road, he'd see only his pockets."
We tend to see what we are. Therefore, if our mind is full of delusion, or projected fantasies, then it's highly unlikely that we would recognize divinity in form even if it was standing in front of us waving a flag.
Jesus himself was, generally speaking, not recognized when he was alive. He had only a small following. The people of his time mostly dismissed him as a nut. When brought before a mob by Pilate, the mob chose Barabbas to be freed. Not only was Jesus unrecognized by this mob, he was not even granted justice for a crime he did not commit.
That "mob" was not some specific mob of idiots. The "mob" dominates in any day and age. The "mob" is simply a symbol for the mainstream of humanity. Go out on the main street of any large city, and there you will find the "mob", regardless of social or economic class or religious affiliation. This "mob" is everywhere.
Historically, religious fundamentalists have generously contributed to the population of the "mob". The Jewish fundamentalists of Jesus' time certainly did not recognize him. Niether did the Roman authorities. So if the "real Jesus" were to return today, what makes anyone think that today's Christian fundamentalists or today's secular authorities would recognize him this time?
Most likely he'd be crucified on the lawn of the White House.
Or perhaps even more likely he'd be commited to a mental institution. Or simply ignored.
Jesus, when alive two thousand years ago, castigated the religious authorities of his time. I strongly suspect that he'd do it again today, if given the chance.
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Originally posted by KneverKnightWhen Jesus came the first time, he was mocked and ridiculed, and judged. He died the most disgraceful dead on the cross. He shed his blood for the forgiveness of our sins. Now is the time of mercy. When he comes the second time, he will not come to be judged, but to judge. Then it will be too late. Thus the Bible says "If you hear his voice, do not harden your heart." For now is the time of mercy. Procrastination is the thief of time.
So, we all will be saved?
Originally posted by dj2beckerI don't see any sanity is Him having us kill him so he can forgive our sins that He had a serpent trick us into having a penchant for committing.
When Jesus came the first time, he was mocked and ridiculed, and judged. He died the most disgraceful dead on the cross. He shed his blood for the forgiveness of our sins. Now is the time of mercy. When he comes the second time, he will not come to be judged, but to judge. Then it will be too late. Thus the Bible says "If you hear his voice, do not harden your heart." For now is the time of mercy. Procrastination is the thief of time.
If thats what He came to do : He oughtn't have bothered because it makes Him look foolish.
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Originally posted by frogstompI don't see any sanity is Him having us kill him so he can forgive our sins
I don't see any sanity is Him having us kill him so he can forgive our sins that He had a serpent trick us into having a penchant for committing.
If thats what He came to do : He oughtn't have bothered because it makes Him look foolish.
The message of the cross is foolishness to those that are perishing, but to those who are being saved it is the power of God unto salvation.
He had a serpent trick us into having a penchant for committing.
You are clearly confused. Where did you hear that He had the serpant trick us? Man in his own free will chose to disobey God, and thus paid the price of disobedience.
Originally posted by MetamorphosisRec for you, very well said sir.
For any waiting and hoping for a literal return of Jesus in form, I wonder how you will recognize him? By what internal or external criteria?
There's an old saying --
"If a pickpocket saw Jesus on the road, he'd see only his pockets."
We tend to see what we are. Therefore, if our mind is full of delusion, or projected fantasies, then it's ...[text shortened]... authorities of his time. I strongly suspect that he'd do it again today, if given the chance.
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Originally posted by MetamorphosisMatthew 24:30 - And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
For any waiting and hoping for a literal return of Jesus in form, I wonder how you will recognize him? By what internal or external criteria?
There's an old saying --
"If a pickpocket saw Jesus on the road, he'd see only his ...[text shortened]... rongly suspect that he'd do it again today, if given the chance.
Revelation 1:7 - Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.