24 Sep 05
Originally posted by UmbrageOfSnowAwwww... Sorry, dude, but's that's one of the most shallow statements and conclusions I've ever seen.
As much as I hate to say it, you've made a good point. Why should a god, if one exists, care if we worship him or not as long as we are good people.
Think of it more rationally - Ok, you're a computer programmer and you make an immense, incredibly complex and difficult program. do you expect that program to just gather cyber-dust?! No way, you expect that program to do what you designed it to do.
Now, if there is a God, who designed the universe and man, with intelligence and a free will, He wants something back. And I think that must be a high priority your life (if you think there is a God).
Dude, think a little deeper before posting a pillow full of fluff next time! 😞
24 Sep 05
Originally posted by RatXI don't think that it's shallow at all. Actually, I think it's you who doesn't appreciate his simple, yet straight-forward answer. Or maybe you just don't want to see it that way. Your answer, on the other hand, is quite open to interpretation. So God is a computer programmer, and expects his work to give back? And you just happen to know what we are desinged to do? Damn, I wish I had your type of connections. So tell me, where did you meet God? Or do you know him through a friend? Since you know our purpose down here...
Awwww... Sorry, dude, but's that's one of the most shallow statements and conclusions I've ever seen.
Think of it more rationally - Ok, you're a computer programmer and you make an immense, incredibly complex and difficult program. do you expect that program to just gather cyber-dust?! No way, you expect that program to do what you designed it to do.
...[text shortened]... re is a God).
Dude, think a little deeper before posting a pillow full of fluff next time! 😞
"Now, if there is a God, who designed the universe and man, with intelligence and a free will, He wants something back. And I think that must be a high priority your life (if you think there is a God)."
Again, thank you for making it clear to us that you assume that "He wants something back". And that it "must be a high priority [in our lives]". If other people dont believe this, but they do believe in God, it MUST be those "other" people who are the wrong ones. So I ask again, where did you meet God when he told you the "right" way to live life?
24 Sep 05
Originally posted by lioyankSo God is a computer programmer, and expects his work to give back? And you just happen to know what we are desinged to do? Damn, I wish I had your type of connections. So tell me, where did you meet God? Or do you know him through a friend? Since you know our purpose down here...
I don't think that it's shallow at all. Actually, I think it's you who doesn't appreciate his simple, yet straight-forward answer. Or maybe you just don't want to see it that way. Your answer, on the other hand, is quite open to interpretation. So God is a computer programmer, and expects his work to give back? And you just happen to know what we are de ...[text shortened]... ng ones. So I ask again, where did you meet God when he told you the "right" way to live life?
Stupid.
I mentioned nothing about what our purpose is. I was simply pointing out what philosophical and logical implications the existence of God would have.
So try to think (emphasis on reason and logic - not trying to find flaws and errors to hit on):
If God created the earth and man - this would mean that man has a purpose in his existence. And that purpose would have something to do with God, obviously (had to point that out for you). God would not have created the universe and all that's in it for no purpose, just allowing man to do as he pleases.
Live a good life? Vague and meaningless, not simple and straightforward...
24 Sep 05
Originally posted by RatXYou ASSUME that man would have a purpose. That doesn't have to be the case. If there really is a God, then He can do whatever He wants to do, no? He could create millions of people for no reason that is apparent to us. Remember, God is ABOVE us. He is HIGHER than our own understanding, right? Since He is, afterall, God. So why try and understand Him? We cannot understand Him if He truly is God --- not some concept that people try to play off as being God, when in actuality they still try to understand Him and rationalize what He is and what His purpose for us is.....
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If God created the earth and man - this would mean that man has a purpose in his existence.
25 Sep 05
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I personally think the bible is very contradictory.
Example: Pride, one of the seven deadly sins, but God created us to worship him. Isn't that pride?
Another example, taken from George Carlin: God loves us, but people die? People starve, suffer, get raped and murdered.
25 Sep 05
Originally posted by Alpha10I guess the idea is that pride is a sin because we are only humans and pretty worthless compared with god. So it would be a sin for humans, but not for god, because his pride would be justified.
I personally think the bible is very contradictory.
Example: Pride, one of the seven deadly sins, but God created us to worship him. Isn't that pride?
The god of the old testament seems to be quite worried about humans becoming godlike (the Tower of Babel is a good example). Some of the biblical laws, like the one against pride, seem to be a way to keep the distance.
25 Sep 05
Originally posted by Vladamir no1You don't "need" to know. Like many/most aspects of knowledge, gaining it or lacking it will shape you as a person and/or your life.
Why do we need to know?
I don't "need" to know how to operate a microwave, balance a checkbook, or that the sun will come up tomorrow. I am pleased to know it anyway.
25 Sep 05
Originally posted by OmnislashI agree, thats why I'm saying why do we need to know, as in everyone who constantly questions it...
You don't "need" to know. Like many/most aspects of knowledge, gaining it or lacking it will shape you as a person and/or your life.
I don't "need" to know how to operate a microwave, balance a checkbook, or that the sun will come up tomorrow. I am pleased to know it anyway.
25 Sep 05
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Originally posted by NordlysNordlys: "The god of the old testament seems to be quite worried about humans becoming godlike ...
I guess the idea is that pride is a sin because we are only humans and pretty worthless compared with god. So it would be a sin for humans, but not for god, because his pride would be justified.
The god of the old testament seems to be quite worried about humans becoming godlike (the Tower of Babel is a good example). Some of the biblical laws, like the one against pride, seem to be a way to keep the distance.
Only if humans try to be "God-like" in a way God disapproves off, meaning if they chose to enter into a competitive relationship with Him. In this sense there is absolutely no difference between God in the Old or the New Testament.
Nordlys: "Some of the biblical laws, like the one against pride, seem to be a way to keep the distance.
It is not a way to keep the distance, on the contrary ! It is a way to help people keeping the relationship between God and human beings cristal clear and correct. In His law God shows us the way towards Him. Above all God's law is a warning against the wrong way, the mimetic competitive way, to become "God-like".
God wants us to be like his Son who is a person in the Divine Trinity and therefore 100 % God. God tells us to obey His Son and invites us to become "God-like", but only by acknowledging Him, Emmanuel, as our Lord and Saviour and obeying and loving Him. He is the Way.