If you believe in God, do you also believe in Demons ?
Yes. Though demons are NOT the same as fallen angels.
A question to those that believe in God. What happened to those Demon's Jesus excorsized, did they dissapear ?
No, they roam the spirit world looking for a way back into bodies. Some find them.
If we believe in God, angels and demons, do we believe angels walk amongst us ?
All Christians have at least one angel on 'guard duty', hence the term 'Guardian angel'. Do we usually see them? No. The Bible tells us they are there, however. As far as fallen angels...all angels can take material form when it suits them.
What is the role of demons ?
Demons are the disembodied spirits of the union between fallen angels and human women. They often possess the spiritually unguarded. Angels can also possess, but usually do not need to because of their ability to have material bodies.
h exception to a few evangelical churches, I don't think I've come across a church that actively addresses the possibility of demon posession in our lives. Is this "too" 'Easter Bunny", or a reality we simply do not address ?
The latter. Most churches nowadays are a part of the 'Great Apostasy' described by Paul as a time when 'Christians' would entertain false doctrines because it was more fun to hear than the Truth. This includes the Catholic Church's stance that 'Islam is a part of the salvation plan', total lack of preparation against demons in Protestant churches, the New Age material entering churches--repetition/chanting in 'worship' songs--, preaching only about the good of God and not the justice which includes judging sinners (even Christians). Paul warned this would be a sign of the last days.
I want to expound on the difference between demons and fallen angels. First, let's look at Genesis chapter 6:
6:1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 6:2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 6:3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 6:4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Note : in the OT, sons of God always referred to angels. The Hebrew word for giant is Nephilim, the name for the product of this union. Giants were seen by the scouts of Joshua and they said "we are as grasshoppers compared to them." Probably the most famous giant was Goliath, whom David killed.
Because their fathers were evil, the men born of these unions were evil as well, and as we see, eventually all humans were tainted by this evil except Noah. The purpose of this breeding was probably not entirely for lust, but a method of Satan's to taint all of the blood lines so that the Messiah couldn't be born. So the Flood, which at first seems cruel, makes more sense in this light. But the
6:5And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6:6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 6:7And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. 6:8But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
6:9These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God. 6:10And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth. 6:11The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. 6:12And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. 6:13And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
Notice that in 6:4 above, it says "and also after that". After what? Obviously after the Flood. This explains how even after everyone was destroyed in the Flood, there were still giants in the Promised Land when the Israelites reached it, and Goliath, etc. The point after the flood--since Satan realized that he couldn't taint all of mankind, was to keep the Israelites from the Promised Land and to attempt to wipe out the Israelites since from them the Messiah would come.
Quick aside--In the 2nd epistle of Peter we learn:
2:4For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2:5And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
The fallen angels who had 'sinned' (mated with human women) were in chains in Tarturus (Peter used the Greek hell, probably the story of the Titans had some truth to it) awaiting judgement.
In Greek mythology, the Titans were a family of giant gods who were the offspring of Uranus (heaven) and Gaea (earth). The most famous of the Titans was Cronus, who killed his father. Cronus later led the Titans in their losing war against Zeus and the Olympian gods. After their defeat, the Titans were imprisoned in a section of the underworld called Tartarus.
Why would Peter speak of Tarturus and the days of Noah unless he was trying to reiterate that gianst lived in those days?
There are legends of giants in many, many cultures. Giants would explain how the fantasically huge rocks were moved in many ancient monuments. Advanced technology from fallen angels (elaborated about in the Book of Enoch, which Jude quotes from in his book) would have helped the Egyptians--who had no number '0'--build their pyramids so precisely. Modern day scientists are still baffled how ancient civilizations moved the enormous stones such vast distances to such heights. Modern day cranes couldn't lift some of the rocks, including a 200,000 pound stone in South America.
The Bible described Goliath as being the equivalent of 12 feet tall. The tallest man in the Guinness book of world records was 8 feet, 11 inches tall.
Now, 'demons' come from about when the Nephilim--giants-- die. Since they have corrupted spirits, they are not welcome in Heaven or Hell, but are doomed to wander the earth. When men allow them, they possess people. These are the 'demons' cast out by Jesus. Remember, if the demons were just fallen angels, the fallen angels wouldn't need a body to leap into, but would simply materialize on their own when they wished.
Many civilizations also have records of UFO's. Ranging from 'shining silver disks to burning chariots', they had strange men come from them and trade technology, sometimes for women, and they were worshipped as gods.
What kind of technology would fall angels who could be millions of billions years older than humans possess? Perhaps enough to make the ships people claim to see nearly every day? The ships that far surpass anything even the most powerful governments can dream of?
It is interesting to note that the UFO phenomon began in 1947, with Kenneth Arnold. Why is this interesting? Because Israel became a nation again a scant year later in 1948. Not following? I'll refer you to the Olivet Discourse, the sermon given by Jesus to the disciples explaining when the last days would be. He gives a parable of a fig tree--something Israel is referred to all throughout the Bible--and that when it blooms, you know summer is near, so likewise, when Christians saw the times of the end start happening, we know Christ's 2nd coming is near. Israel 'bloomed' or was reborn in 1948, and that is also when the signs of the end started increasing in frequency, including earthquakes, pestilence, wars, rumors of wars, and people claiming to be Jesus Christ.
Before Jesus returns, there will be a period of 7 years when God judges the world. Jesus warned that the last days would be "as in the days of Noah". As usual with the Lord, His words had more than a single meaning and even more than a double meaning. On the surface, it means men in the end times would be as evil as the time as Noah. It also means God will save the righteous from judgement in what is called the "Rapture" (see Corinthians 15:51-55). It also means that fallen angels will again interfere with man in an attempt to thwart God's plans.
Since the Rapture entails the 'calling up' of Christians to Heaven before the Tribulation (period of judgement upon the world and ungodly), it will be very difficult for unbelievers to maintain that God isn't real. That is, unless Satan, the ultimate deceiver can perpetrate another lie to 'explain it away'. Many Christians believe it will be explained away as 'mass alien abductions'.
This is already being prepared in the New Age movement. The New Agers believe man is ready to 'evolve' to their next highest form and that Christians are holding man back with 'backwards thought'. Some New Agers claim to be mediums for aliens who have come to help man evolve and that the plan is one day 'all those who are preventing man's evolution and preventing peace' will be taken out of the world. These people are really medium for demons.
God Himself says that He will send 'strong delusion' in the last days to those who didn't heed His Word. This likely means He will allow Satan to spread this lie so that people who didn't heed the witness of Christians before will still cling to lies to escape the Truth of God.
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