Originally posted by googlefudge
I continue to baffled and repulsed by people who cannot see any reason for morality or
ethics without their idiotic belief in god.
The existence or not of god/s has absolutely no barring what-so-ever on what is or isn't moral.
I like Matt Dillahunty's description of the difference in moral view. [or one of them].
You have two kids;
You teach ...[text shortened]... E NOT MORAL!
Maybe you should stop trying to lecture us on morality and learn some yourself.
Can we have morality without God?
Lord Devlin said some years ago, "No society has yet solved the problem of how to teach morality without religion." It has always seemed rather ridiculous to me for people to think that you can still have "morality", particularly Christian morality, without God.
C. S. Lewis said:
If no set of moral ideas were better than another, there would be no sense in preferring civilised morality to Nazi morality.
The moment you say one lot of morals is better than another, you are in fact measuring them by an ultimate standard.
And the moment you admit that there must be some ultimate standard, you are arguing for the existence of God.
Even someone like Nietzsche, the German philosopher who is credited with giving a major boost to the elimination of God from Western culture, never tired of pointing out that Christianity is a whole and that one cannot give up faith in God and keep Christian morality. He said:
When one gives up the Christian faith, one pulls the right to Christian morality out from under one's feet. The morality is by no means self-evident. Christianity is a system, a whole view of things thought out together. By breaking one main concept out of it, the faith in God, one breaks the whole. It stands or falls with faith in God.
In chapter 1 of his letter to the Romans, Paul spells out very clearly the moral consequences of people turning away from God. Three times he declares that, as a result of rejecting the truth of God that he has clearly made known in his creation, "God gave them over..." (vv. 24, 26, 28). But what did he give them over to?
"God gave them over in the sinful desires of their heart to sexual impurity..." (v. 24).
"God gave them over to shameful lusts..." (v. 26).
"God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done" (v. 28).