@fmf saidSorry, I seem to have hogged this conversation.
I think KellyJay has stopped talking to me for a while.
We were right in the middle of a long running discussion and now he has bailed out. His moral compass won't let him talk to me about moral compasses.
But mine has now run its course. There is not much more that I can contribute.
KJ, fmf is all yours.
@caljust saidIs truth exclusive? Not asking about opinions, is truth exclusive? Then I will stop asking you questions unless you continue.
Sorry, I seem to have hogged this conversation.
But mine has now run its course. There is not much more that I can contribute.
KJ, fmf is all yours.
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@fmf saidIt’s not like you’ve ever stopped talking to anyone...
I think KellyJay has stopped talking to me for a while. He tried to use the notion of me 'not supporting punishment for people harming my family, in my home', in an unbelievably crass analogy for my objection to eternal torture for a lack of belief in Jesus [which I don't believe is real but I object to it on the grounds of it being morally incoherent].
KellyJay is so peculi ...[text shortened]... cussion and now he has bailed out. His moral compass won't let him talk to me about moral compasses.
@kellyjay saidLet me try and answer it this way.......
Is truth exclusive? Not asking about opinions, is truth exclusive? Then I will stop asking you questions unless you continue.
There was another thread about multiple universes, and who believes in them. I think it was sonhouse who wrote that there are specific models which indicate the possibility for multiverses. Also Stephen Hawking stated that the cosmic and quantum equations predicated that there should be multiple universes.
So the question you may ask is what is the actual reality? Do they exist or not? Or, in your words, "What is the truth?"
My personal attitude concerning this situatin is "so what?" How does it affect me? Does it actually matter for my everyday life whether there is or isn't a MV? Or, would I act any different if I knew for sure one way or the other?
Do you see where I am going here?
The quest for truth is elusive, if not exclusive. Whatever is REALITY out there, and if it is absolute, and if it is totally exclusive, it can only be touched, found or assimilated with my senses. (I think I have said this now four or five times, and I don't think you have grasped it).
Just as I will never be able to make contact with another universe (in fact, not even another galaxy) I will never be able to comprehend ABSOLUTE TRUTH. It will always be bigger than I am.
If we say that (in your words) the elephant in my previous post is the exclusive truth that exists, then it is also clear that all of us look at this elephant from different angles and we come to different conclusions. Yet the elephant is still standing there! He exists, and is exclusive, but we touch him with our subjective senses.
Does this now make sense to you? I cannot explain it any better.
@caljust saidI believe I see your point, but believe the truth is actively seeking us. Which is different than just us fumbling around looking for it. (My words, not yours or anyone else’s)
Let me try and answer it this way.......
There was another thread about multiple universes, and who believes in them. I think it was sonhouse who wrote that there are specific models which indicate the possibility for multiverses. Also Stephen Hawking stated that the cosmic and quantum equations predicated that there should be multiple universes.
So the question you may ...[text shortened]... him with our subjective senses.
Does this now make sense to you? I cannot explain it any better.
@kellyjay saidIn what way exactly is truth actively seeking us?
I believe I see your point, but believe the truth is actively seeking us. Which is different than just us fumbling around looking for it. (My words, not yours or anyone else’s)
@kellyjay saidNo matter how you convolute it, "the truth" in this matter is a matter for speculation and, ultimately, your certainty and vehemence about it is merely a varnish applied to your personal opinion.
I believe I see your point, but believe the truth is actively seeking us. Which is different than just us fumbling around looking for it. (My words, not yours or anyone else’s)
@kellyjay saidYou may be right here.
I believe I see your point, but believe the truth is actively seeking us. Which is different than just us fumbling around looking for it. (My words, not yours or anyone else’s)
Paul's Damascus Road experience is a case in point from a Christian pov.
My son relates a similar experience from a Buddhist pov.
I guess if one cultivates a sense of spiritual awareness one will be more receptive when such things come across one's way.
Again, in the Christian tradition you have the Armenianism/Calvinism debate: does God seek me first, or do I have to seek God first to let himself be found?
As you well know, you will find proof for both in the Bible.