Illusions opinions reality

@caljust said
Actually, I thought I addressed it pretty much, although your wording is a little convoluted.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but your point with this thread is to draw a distinction between truth and opinions? And what you are claiming is that truth and reality trumps opinions, am I right?

So all I tried to point out is that the concept of "truth" is subjective.

Have I addressed your question now? I am really trying my best to understand where you are going here.

You think truth is "subjective"?
Then it is no wonder you didn't understand what I was saying, and still don't.

@kellyjay said
You think truth is "subjective"?
Then it is no wonder you didn't understand what I was saying, and still don't.

Your truth is that god exists, my truth is that it does not.
That seems pretty subjective to me.

@wolfgang59 said
Your truth is that god exists, my truth is that it does not.
That seems pretty subjective to me.

That is stating the beliefs, the truth is reality which doesn't change due to you or me.

@kellyjay said
That is stating the beliefs, the truth is reality which doesn't change due to you or me.

You are very narrow-minded! As this is the Spirituality Forum
and as Caljust is demonstrably intelligent I think it safe to assume
that he is taking the meaning of "Truth" in this discussion as
a transcendent fundamental or spiritual reality
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/truth

If you want to talk about reality try the Science Forum.

@kellyjay said
If you are happy with your beliefs, and they are working for you good.

Is this the measure, the only meaningful way to look at life?

If the Theistic world view is all wrong then the truth is they (we)(I) have always been all wrong, instead of the truth of reality it’s an illusion.

If the Atheistic world view is all wrong, then they have had the illusion, not truth of reality.

Color my world with truth not acceptable opinions.

Color my world with truth not acceptable opinions.

What evidence do you have that you objectively "color [your] world with truth"?

@wolfgang59 said
You are very narrow-minded! As this is the Spirituality Forum
and as Caljust is demonstrably intelligent I think it safe to assume
that he is taking the meaning of "Truth" in this discussion as
a transcendent fundamental or spiritual reality
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/truth

If you want to talk about reality try the Science Forum.

I'm not the one saying that truth is personally molded here to suit my views or yours, I'm saying that type of thing is limited to opinions. Reality is not dependent upon me, and would be what it is with or without me. There is only reality, you can say material reality, or spiritual reality, but neither of those words take away or add to the truth of reality, they are just words we use to color our opinions about reality.

Truth is simply when we line up our views with reality, it is us conforming to it, not the other way around.

@thinkofone said
Color my world with truth not acceptable opinions.

What evidence do you have that you objectively "color [your] world with truth"?

Who is truth?

@kellyjay said
Who is truth?

If you have evidence that you objectively "color [your] world with truth", then simply present it.

If you don't, then simply admit it.

@kellyjay said
I'm not the one saying that truth is personally molded here to suit my views or yours, I'm saying that type of thing is limited to opinions. Reality is not dependent upon me, and would be what it is with or without me. There is only reality, you can say material reality, or spiritual reality, but neither of those words take away or add to the truth of reality, they are just words we use to color our opinions about reality.

In other words, you are very, very certain that your personal opinions about "truth" and "reality", in terms of supernatural matters, coincide with what is true and real.

@fmf said
In other words, you are very, very certain that your personal opinions about "truth" and "reality", in terms of supernatural matters, coincide with what is true and real.

Did you read the opening lines of this OP?

@kellyjay said
Truth is simply when we line up our views with reality, it is us conforming to it, not the other way around.

us conforming to it, not the other way around

The substance and nature of the "it" in the above phrase is a matter of speculation, perception, and opinion.

@kellyjay said
Did you read the opening lines of this OP?

Yes, of course.

@thinkofone said
If you have evidence that you objectively "color [your] world with truth", then simply present it.

If you don't, then simply admit it.

The point you are missing is in this conversation it isn't 'a' truth I'm trying to get anyone to see of mine. It is only that the truth is out there, not in us, we are not the masters of reality.

@fmf said
Yes, of course.

And what is the point of it?

@fmf said
us conforming to it, not the other way around

The substance and nature of the "it" in the above phrase is a matter of speculation, perception, and opinion.

Amazing, you could miss it still.