07 Jan '10 22:31>1 edit
Originally posted by robbie carrobiei have given my reasons as to why, sound and scripturally based, why the immaculate conception runs contrary to the word of God, there is NO scriptural reason to assume that Mary was conceived immaculately, if there is, then lets see it. As to your assertions that she is the women in revelation, i doubt very much whether you shall be able to substantiate that either, but hey, if one can justify a non scriptural dogma like the trinity, anything is possible.
my statement was in response to the assertion that Christ, did or did not a beginning and thus was or was not a created entity, not the immaculate conception, i though that was obvious given the previous posting, please forgive me for thinking that there may be some degree of continuity to this discussion.
i have given my reasons as to why, sound oddess and how these may have a bearing on the development of Mary worship within Catholicism.
Firstly, I do not think the Trinity is non scriptural -- you are deliberately baiting me. If anything is blatantly non scriptural, it is the idea that Jesus is an archangel which is something St Paul explicitly condemns (again, Hebrews 1). Secondly, it is wrong to say that the Immaculate Conception has no Scriptural basis. The angel Gabriel calls her 'full of grace' (lit. 'having been filled with grace'😉 pointing to her redemption already (original sin, in short, is the loss of grace while the redemption is the restoration of it) and Elizabeth says she is 'blessed among women' (which, in fact, would include Eve who had been immaculate before the fall.) This points to the Immaculate Conception. As I explained before however, the strength of this dogma derives not from Scripture but from its development in tradition.
Of great interest is the pre Christian pagan deities, of Mother and child, particularly Isis and her son Horus and many other archetypical representations of the 'great mother', goddess and how these may have a bearing on the development of Mary worship within Catholicism.
Firstly, all cultures have this. The special relationship between mother and her child is universal. More than pagan, it is probably Freudian. Hence, it is natural that Christians would depict Mary holding her child, as she probably did. Not only is it archetypal but fundamentally human. Secondly, Mary is not a goddess and no one worships her. This is just plain baiting.