"Sins" aside ~ by which I mean acts that are regarded by theologians and religious people as transgressions of God's will ~ the notion of "immoral thoughts" is a misnomer. "Morality" is a code that governs human interaction ~ and thoughts that do not lead to immoral deeds cannot be deemed as being immoral. Your take on this?
Originally posted by FMFI can fantasise about committing the perfect crime;
"Sins" aside ~ by which I mean acts that are regarded by theologians and religious people as transgressions of God's will ~ the notion of "immoral thoughts" is a misnomer. "Morality" is a code that governs human interaction ~ and thoughts that do not lead to immoral deeds cannot be deemed as being immoral. Your take on this?
robbing the bank or killing my annoying neighbour.
I don't think these "thought crimes" are immoral.
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02 Apr 15
Originally posted by wolfgang59Perhaps, but if it is only fantasy and not immoral, you might as well do both and fantasise about robbing a bank 'and' killing your annoying neighbour.
I can fantasise about committing the perfect crime;
robbing the bank or killing my annoying neighbour.
I don't think these "thought crimes" are immoral.
Wait, you don't live at number 22 Vine Street Bognor Regis do you?!?
03 Apr 15
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeI prefer to savour my fantasies as singular events.
Perhaps, but if it is only fantasy and not immoral, you might as well do both and fantasise about robbing a bank 'and' killing your annoying neighbour.
Who would drink Remy Martin, Bollinger and Adnam's Broadside in one sitting!
03 Apr 15
Originally posted by FMFIf the deed is considered immoral, then why not the thought?
"Sins" aside ~ by which I mean acts that are regarded by theologians and religious people as transgressions of God's will ~ the notion of "immoral thoughts" is a misnomer. "Morality" is a code that governs human interaction ~ and thoughts that do not lead to immoral deeds cannot be deemed as being immoral. Your take on this?
Every deed is preceded by a thought. Does the absence of the deed make the thought exempt from moral obligation?
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03 Apr 15
Originally posted by josephwI think, as humans, we have more control of our actions then we do our thoughts.
If the deed is considered immoral, then why not the thought?
Every deed is preceded by a thought. Does the absence of the deed make the thought exempt from moral obligation?
If i tell you 'don't think about tomatoes', chances are you will think about tomatoes. If i tell not to poke the cat with a stick, you will hopefully be more able to prevent yourself from doing so.
I have a client who feels constantly guilty for the dark thoughts he has about hurting people. He has however never acted upon these thoughts and i believe there is a huge chasm between a thought and an action.
You are right of course that every deed is preceded by a thought; but not every thought leads to a deed. If it did, we would all be in trouble. ;o)
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeI guess the moral of the story is that it is better to think good thoughts than bad ones. 😏
I think, as humans, we have more control of our actions then we do our thoughts.
If i tell you 'don't think about tomatoes', chances are you will think about tomatoes. If i tell not to poke the cat with a stick, you will hopefully be more able to prevent yourself from doing so.
I have a client who feels constantly guilty for the dark thoughts ...[text shortened]... by a thought; but not every thought leads to a deed. If it did, we would all be in trouble. ;o)
04 Apr 15
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeAnd indeed we are.
You are right of course that every deed is preceded by a thought; but not every thought leads to a deed. If it did, we would all be in trouble. ;o)
That is why we all need a Savior, whose innocence enabled him to be our intermediary and to take on the sins of the world in our place and enable us to enter the Kingdom of God.
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Originally posted by josephwWho is braver, the one who dashes in recklessly or the one who fears but acts in spite of their fear?
If the deed is considered immoral, then why not the thought?
Every deed is preceded by a thought. Does the absence of the deed make the thought exempt from moral obligation?
Originally posted by josephwWell I've laid out my argument in the OP ~ and thus answered your two questions above ~ so feel free to argue the opposite if you want.
If the deed is considered immoral, then why not the thought?
Every deed is preceded by a thought. Does the absence of the deed make the thought exempt from moral obligation?