Originally posted by SwissGambit
I hate to have to point out the obvious, but everyone here is human and ALL the viewpoints expressed here are human viewpoints [attendant with all their limitations].
I don't agree that the creator is always vastly superior to the created. We procreate and we're not 'vastly superior' to our children - they may grow up to be smarter and/or stronger tha ...[text shortened]... ion of creators who get more and more powerful the further back you go on the cause chain.
Maybe there is no first cause, but just an infinite regression of creators who get more and more powerful the further back you go on the cause chain.
excerpted from Göedel, Escher, Bach - by Douglas Hofstadter
[corrects a typo]
Achilles: Oh, thank you so very much, Genie. But my curiosity is provoked. Before I make my wish, would you mind telling me who - or what - GOD is?
Genie: Not at all. "GOD" is an acronym which stands for "GOD Over Djinn." The word "Djinn" is used to designate Genies, Meta-Genies, Meta-Meta-Genies, etc. It is a Typeless word.
Achilles: But-but-how can "GOD" be a word in its own acronym? That doesn't make any sense!
Genie: Oh, aren't you acquainted with recursive acronyms? I thought everybody knew about them. You see, "GOD" stands for "GOD Over Djinn" - which can be expanded as "GOD Over Djinn, Over Djinn" - and that can, in turn, be expanded to "GOD Over Djinn, Over Djinn, Over Djinn" - which can, in turn, be further expanded...You can go as far as you like.
Achillles: But I'll never finish!
Genie: Of course not. You can never totally expand GOD.
Achilles: Hmm...That's puzzling. What did you mean when you said to the Meta-Genie, "I have a special wish to make of you, O Djinn, and of GOD"?
Genie: I wanted not only to make a request of the Meta-Genie, but also of all the Djinns over her. The recursive acronym method accomplishes this quite naturally. You see, when the Meta-Genie received my request, she then had to pass it upwards to her GOD. So she forwarded a similar message to the Meta-Meta-Genie, who then did likewise to the Meta-Meta-Meta-Genie...Ascending the chain this way transmits the message to GOD.
Achilles: I see. You mean GOD sits up at the top of the ladder of djinns?
Genie: No, no, no! There is nothing "at the top", for there is no top. That is why GOD is a recursive acronym. GOD is not some ultimate djinn; GOD is the tower of djinns above any given djinn.
Tortoise: It seems to me that each and every djinn would have a different concept of what GOD is, then, since to any djinn, GOD is the set of djinns above him or her, and no two djinns share that set.
Genie: You're absolutely right - and since I am the lowest djinn of all, my notion of GOD is the most exalted one. I pity the higher djinns, who fancy themselves somehow closer to GOD. What blasphemy!