1. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    05 Mar '12 17:181 edit
    Intelligility demands...


    Intelligibility demands an intelligent first cause. Fairness demands a just first cause. Love demands a first cause with the capacity for both personal and virtue love.

    Please excercise your right to agree or to poke holes if you must.


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    05 Mar '12 18:20
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]Intelligility demands...


    Intelligibility demands an intelligent first cause. Fairness demands a just first cause. Love demands a first cause with the capacity for both personal and virtue love.

    Please excercise your right to agree or to poke holes if you must.


    Boston Lad[/b]
    okay. none of those demands a first cause.
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    05 Mar '12 18:33
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]Intelligility demands...


    Intelligibility demands an intelligent first cause. Fairness demands a just first cause. Love demands a first cause with the capacity for both personal and virtue love.

    Please excercise your right to agree or to poke holes if you must.


    Boston Lad[/b]
    So you believe that your love for your loved ones must have been caused? Is any of it yours? Must it just be triggered, or is it entirely the product of some other entities love?
  4. Standard memberRJHinds
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    05 Mar '12 19:18
    Originally posted by VoidSpirit
    okay. none of those demands a first cause.
    No backup explanation as usual.
  5. Standard memberRJHinds
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    05 Mar '12 19:19
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    So you believe that your love for your loved ones must have been caused? Is any of it yours? Must it just be triggered, or is it entirely the product of some other entities love?
    It is the product of God's love. The Holy Bible tells us so. 😏
  6. Standard memberSwissGambit
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    05 Mar '12 19:28
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]Intelligility demands...


    Intelligibility demands an intelligent first cause. Fairness demands a just first cause. Love demands a first cause with the capacity for both personal and virtue love.

    Please excercise your right to agree or to poke holes if you must.


    Boston Lad[/b]
    But who caused these attributes to appear in the 'first' cause? 😵
  7. Standard memberBosse de Nage
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    05 Mar '12 19:35
    'An intelligent first cause.' - A spider? A worm? A virus?
  8. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    05 Mar '12 20:17
    Originally posted by SwissGambit
    But who caused these attributes to appear in the 'first' cause? 😵
    First cause is by definition inscrutably without beginning. "In the beginning which wasn't a beginning I was.... always existed.
  9. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    05 Mar '12 20:17
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    'An intelligent first cause.' - A spider? A worm? A virus?
    Who devised the spider?
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    05 Mar '12 20:18
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    'An intelligent first cause.' - A spider? A worm? A virus?
    I still think we are looking at this backward or upside down or whatever.
    Intelligence is not built on physicality, but the other way around. Just because we have amnesia doesn't make it untrue.
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    05 Mar '12 20:24
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]Intelligility demands...


    Intelligibility demands an intelligent first cause. Fairness demands a just first cause. Love demands a first cause with the capacity for both personal and virtue love.

    Please excercise your right to agree or to poke holes if you must.


    Boston Lad[/b]
    No holes, only a realization.

    GB: "Intelligibility demands... Fairness demands... Love demands..."

    Aha! None of them places a demand; they are only given freely.

    So GB's post is a sort of koan. You can only be your own first cause of these things, in your life. Don't look outward for them.
  12. Standard memberSwissGambit
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    05 Mar '12 20:34
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    First cause is by definition inscrutably without beginning. "In the beginning which wasn't a beginning I was.... always existed.
    IMO everything has a beginning. I don't think it's possible for anything, or anyone, to always exist.

    To say otherwise sounds like pure nonsense - "beginning which wasn't a beginning" ????
  13. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    05 Mar '12 22:15
    Originally posted by SwissGambit
    IMO everything has a beginning. I don't think it's possible for anything, or anyone, to [b]always exist.

    To say otherwise sounds like pure nonsense - "beginning which wasn't a beginning" ????[/b]
    Pure human viewpoint, attendant with all of its limitations. Ever occur to you that the creator (of anything) is vastly superior to the creature or thing?
  14. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    05 Mar '12 22:22
    Originally posted by JS357
    No holes, only a realization.

    GB: "Intelligibility demands... Fairness demands... Love demands..."

    Aha! None of them places a demand; they are only given freely.

    So GB's post is a sort of koan. You can only be your own first cause of these things, in your life. Don't look outward for them.
    Should we assume there's an insightful question hidden somewhere within your reply? If not, is it possible you're reeling from the hard fist of reality?
  15. Standard memberAgerg
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    05 Mar '12 23:08
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    Who devised the spider?
    "Damien The Deviser" with his magic pot and a faithful sidekick called Solomon

    Next question please 😏
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