Originally posted by Grampy Bobbyokay. none of those demands a first cause.
[b]Intelligility demands...
Intelligibility demands an intelligent first cause. Fairness demands a just first cause. Love demands a first cause with the capacity for both personal and virtue love.
Please excercise your right to agree or to poke holes if you must.
Boston Lad[/b]
Originally posted by Grampy BobbySo you believe that your love for your loved ones must have been caused? Is any of it yours? Must it just be triggered, or is it entirely the product of some other entities love?
[b]Intelligility demands...
Intelligibility demands an intelligent first cause. Fairness demands a just first cause. Love demands a first cause with the capacity for both personal and virtue love.
Please excercise your right to agree or to poke holes if you must.
Boston Lad[/b]
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyBut who caused these attributes to appear in the 'first' cause? 😵
[b]Intelligility demands...
Intelligibility demands an intelligent first cause. Fairness demands a just first cause. Love demands a first cause with the capacity for both personal and virtue love.
Please excercise your right to agree or to poke holes if you must.
Boston Lad[/b]
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyNo holes, only a realization.
[b]Intelligility demands...
Intelligibility demands an intelligent first cause. Fairness demands a just first cause. Love demands a first cause with the capacity for both personal and virtue love.
Please excercise your right to agree or to poke holes if you must.
Boston Lad[/b]
GB: "Intelligibility demands... Fairness demands... Love demands..."
Aha! None of them places a demand; they are only given freely.
So GB's post is a sort of koan. You can only be your own first cause of these things, in your life. Don't look outward for them.
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyIMO everything has a beginning. I don't think it's possible for anything, or anyone, to always exist.
First cause is by definition inscrutably without beginning. "In the beginning which wasn't a beginning I was.... always existed.
To say otherwise sounds like pure nonsense - "beginning which wasn't a beginning" ????
Originally posted by SwissGambitPure human viewpoint, attendant with all of its limitations. Ever occur to you that the creator (of anything) is vastly superior to the creature or thing?
IMO everything has a beginning. I don't think it's possible for anything, or anyone, to [b]always exist.
To say otherwise sounds like pure nonsense - "beginning which wasn't a beginning" ????[/b]
Originally posted by JS357Should we assume there's an insightful question hidden somewhere within your reply? If not, is it possible you're reeling from the hard fist of reality?
No holes, only a realization.
GB: "Intelligibility demands... Fairness demands... Love demands..."
Aha! None of them places a demand; they are only given freely.
So GB's post is a sort of koan. You can only be your own first cause of these things, in your life. Don't look outward for them.