04 Jun 12
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Originally posted by Rajk999No, it is not the same error. That's because part of the reason why we don't believe there is an afterlife is because we do NOT think that our beliefs influence reality.
Same error by atheists. What happens after you die is going to happen whether you believe it or not.
If we thought that our beliefs influence reality and we thought we could have an afterlife and live forever just by believing it then we would try and convince ourselves that there is an afterlife because most of us would naturally want to live forever. I know I want that!
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04 Jun 12
Originally posted by Rajk999It is conceivable that we will get whatever it is that we believe is coming to us at the moment of our death. God says, "OK, you think it's going to be X, I'll give you X." Uncertain souls will meet a fate they can't quite figure out.
Same error by atheists. What happens after you die is going to happen whether you believe it or not.
04 Jun 12
Originally posted by humyIm not sure its correct to say that theists think that their beliefs influence the reality.
No, it is not the same error. That's because part of the reason why we don't believe there is an afterlife is because we do NOT think that our beliefs influence reality.
If we thought that our beliefs influence reality and we thought we could have an afterlife and live forever just by believing it then we would try and convince ourselves that there is an afterlife because most of us would naturally want to live forever. I know I want that!
Granted there are a lot of stupid Christians who do not really understand the teachings of Christ but rely on sly pastors and crooked leaders to teach them, and they in turn feed them the world of false hope. Some think they will go to heaven etc etc .. but whats in their head has no bearing on what is actually in store for them.
The truth is that Christians live with the HOPE that they will be rewarded IFF they satisfy the requirements of Christ for salvation. Its faith and hope.
The honest person - either atheists or theists - should admit that nobody knows for sure what awaits us after this life is over.
Christ and God alone knows.
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04 Jun 12
Originally posted by Rajk999I say: It is conceivable that we will get whatever it is that we believe is coming to us at the moment of our death. God says, "OK, you think it's going to be X, I'll give you X." Uncertain souls will meet a fate they can't quite figure out.
No way ! 🙂
Then you say: No way !
But, right after that you say: The honest person - either atheists or theists - should admit that nobody knows for sure what awaits us after this life is over.
04 Jun 12
Originally posted by JS357OK .. the way I see it, no way to "we get whatever it is that we believe is coming to us at the moment of our death"
I say: It is conceivable that we will get whatever it is that we believe is coming to us at the moment of our death. God says, "OK, you think it's going to be X, I'll give you X." Uncertain souls will meet a fate they can't quite figure out.
Then you say: No way !
But, right after that you say: The honest person - either atheists or theists - should admit that nobody knows for sure what awaits us after this life is over.
The teachings of the Bible are contrary to that.
05 Jun 12
Originally posted by Rajk999I'm so totally sure that the rather complete irony of this statement escapes you.
Granted there are a lot of stupid Christians who do not really understand the teachings of Christ...
This is why you're so totally full of it, and despite being shown the error of your ways time and again, you still persist. I give up. If you haven't gotten it by now, you never will. So go ahead, continue to cherry pick which of Christ's commandments you will follow and to which you will give lip service.
No wonder you can only have hope for your own salvation. Most of the rest of us have been promised, and we aren't expecting God to welsh on the deal. But then again, we aren't giving lip service to our own responsibility in the deal either, like some here.
05 Jun 12
Originally posted by SuzianneThis is far too long an epitaph for Rajk999's headstone.
I'm so totally sure that the rather complete irony of this statement escapes you.
This is why you're so totally full of it, and despite being shown the error of your ways time and again, you still persist. I give up. If you haven't gotten it by now, you never will. So go ahead, continue to cherry pick which of Christ's commandments you will follow and ...[text shortened]... we aren't giving lip service to our own responsibility in the deal either, like some here.
05 Jun 12
Originally posted by SuzianneI suggest some professional help.
I'm so totally sure that the rather complete irony of this statement escapes you.
This is why you're so totally full of it, and despite being shown the error of your ways time and again, you still persist. I give up. If you haven't gotten it by now, you never will. So go ahead, continue to cherry pick which of Christ's commandments you will follow and ...[text shortened]... we aren't giving lip service to our own responsibility in the deal either, like some here.