1. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    29 Dec '09 19:56
    Originally posted by scherzo
    I refer to the upward. What defines a lie?
    It could be not telling the truth,(as you understand it). Sometimes it can also be withholding the truth.
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    30 Dec '09 00:08
    Originally posted by scherzo
    No, I'm actually trying to get a civilized conversation out of this. I'm completely serious.
    Okay.

    You asked who or what defines a lie.

    We do, but only if we know the difference.
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    30 Dec '09 02:315 edits
    Originally posted by josephw
    Off the top of my head I'd say it is believing in lies that makes the one mad.

    Why would one consider what a mad man like Hitler had to say as significant?
    Why is what he thought significant? If one wants to end the madness, one must first study it and point it out for starters. In fact, the madness continues in many forms like that of Islamofascism. If you don't believe me, Christ spent half his ministry pointing out the madness. For example, why was it important to know about the hyporcisy of the religious leaders of his day? It is only when we know we have a problem that we are able to tackle it.
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    30 Dec '09 02:36
    Originally posted by scherzo
    I refer to the upward. What defines a lie?
    What does that mean?
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    31 Dec '09 16:22
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    It could be not telling the truth,(as you understand it). Sometimes it can also be withholding the truth.
    All right. That works. But what is the truth?
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    31 Dec '09 16:22
    Originally posted by josephw
    Okay.

    You asked who or what defines a lie.

    We do, but only if we know the difference.
    Who is "we"? Your family? Your church? Us at RHP? Humanity?
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    31 Dec '09 16:23
    Originally posted by whodey
    What does that mean?
    If I say something's a lie, is it a lie by default? What defines something being truth vs. being a lie?

    See, we should be having threads like this more often. Just go with it and we'll have a great discussion.
  8. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    31 Dec '09 22:56
    Originally posted by scherzo
    All right. That works. But what is the truth?
    An honest interpretation of the world around you.
    Of course it is always relative and is subject to revision.
    Thats truth with a little "t" that is.
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    01 Jan '10 01:23
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    An honest interpretation of the world around you.
    Of course it is always relative and is subject to revision.
    Thats truth with a little "t" that is.
    So who's in any position to judge whether something is true or not true?
  10. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    04 Jan '10 02:30
    Originally posted by scherzo
    So who's in any position to judge whether something is true or not true?
    We all are. Its just our interpretations and prejudices that make us distort or hide our own impressions of the truth.
    Apparently it does a lot of damage...
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