I heard a Jewish man say that the reason he could never be a Muslim was because Islam means submission to God, something he could never do. He cited the story of Jacob who wrestled with an angel and ended up prevailing, and then later was renamed "Israel" which means to struggle with God. For him, his life was not submission to God, nor was it to resist God. Instead, his life was devoted to wrestling with God as Jacob had done.
@whodey saidIt seems like a lot of Christians here on this message board spend their time simply regurgitating rote-learned dogma rather than "wrestling with God". All three Abrahamic religions are about "submission to God".
I heard a Jewish man say that the reason he could never be a Muslim was because Islam means submission to God, something he could never do. He cited the story of Jacob who wrestled with an angel and ended up prevailing, and then later was renamed "Israel" which means to struggle with God. For him, his life was not submission to God, nor was it to resist God. Instead, his life was devoted to wrestling with God as Jacob had done.
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@fmf saidTry reading the scriptures.
It seems like a lot of Christians here on this message board spend their time simply regurgitating rote-learned dogma rather than "wrestling with God". All three Abrahamic religions are about "submission to God".
Jesus even asked to be delivered from the cross and began sweating drops of blood he was under so much duress.
Seems to me he wrestled as well even though he ultimately submitted.
When you have two different wills there will be a rub at some point. Your options are then to submit, ignore, or wrestle with the other.
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@whodey saidNow I see why you are the way you are here.
Dennis Prager who wrote a book on Genesis.
I also later showed the source of the other quote as well if you were paying any attention whatsoever. It also was from his book.
Social conservatives are the worst kind of conservatives.
From Wikipedia:
In 2006, Prager criticized Keith Ellison, the first Muslim elected to Congress, for announcing that he would use the Quran for the reenactment of his swearing in ceremony. Prager wrote "Insofar as a member of Congress taking an oath to serve America and uphold its values is concerned, America is interested in only one book, the Bible. If you are incapable of taking an oath on that book, don't serve in Congress." In response, former New York City Mayor Ed Koch called for Prager to end his service on the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum Council.
@whodey saidJesus wasn't a Christian. Like I said, a lot of the Christians here on this forum spend their time simply regurgitating rote-learned dogma about their "submission to God".
Jesus even asked to be delivered from the cross and began sweating drops of blood he was under so much duress.
Seems to me he wrestled as well even though he ultimately submitted.
@suzianne saidJust because he says something in no way means I agree with him on everything.
Now I see why you are the way you are here.
Social conservatives are the worst kind of conservatives.
From Wikipedia:
In 2006, Prager criticized Keith Ellison, the first Muslim elected to Congress, for announcing that he would use the Quran for the reenactment of his swearing in ceremony. Prager wrote "Insofar as a member of Congress taking an oath to serve America ...[text shortened]... Ed Koch called for Prager to end his service on the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum Council.
After all, I'm a Christian and he is not, but the man does have some interesting insights in to the Torah nonetheless. To simply dismiss him as "bad" because you may disagree with him on some things is absurd.
@whodey saidWhich do you think he would regard as more evil, the Quran or Mein Kampf?
Just because he says something in no way means I agree with him on everything.
After all, I'm a Christian and he is not, but the man does have some interesting insights in to the Torah nonetheless. To simply dismiss him as "bad" because you may disagree with him on some things is absurd.
@whodey said"He cited the story of Jacob who wrestled with an angel and ended up prevailing,.."
I heard a Jewish man say that the reason he could never be a Muslim was because Islam means submission to God, something he could never do. He cited the story of Jacob who wrestled with an angel and ended up prevailing, and then later was renamed "Israel" which means to struggle with God. For him, his life was not submission to God, nor was it to resist God. Instead, his life was devoted to wrestling with God as Jacob had done.
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but Jacob didn't prevail. At least the way I see it. Jacob ended up crippled.
Since when do angels lose wrestling matches? What's more, it wasn't an angel. Verse 24 of chapter 32 in Genesis says it was a man Jacob wrestled with.
Of course it appears Jacob had the man in a full Nelson.