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Spirituality

  1. 06 Dec '17 17:28 / 1 edit
    https://www.jashow.org/articles/guests-and-authors/carl-teichrib/blending-of-the-gods-the-united-religions-initiative-global-charter-signing/

    Dressed in the garb of their “faith traditions,” supporters of the global interfaith agenda stood in a large circle on the Carnegie Melon University campus, located in historic Pitts­burgh. Buddhists, Hindus, Christians, Wiccans, New Agers, Muslims, followers of Judaism and Zoroastrianism, along with devotees of a multitude of religions joined together as native spiritualists invoked the “great spirit” and “cleansed” the circle with smoke from a smudge pot. Once the smudge had made it around the group, indigenous drummers from India led the procession to the University Center. The United Religions Initiative global charter signing summit was officially opened.

    Watching the processional from the sidelines, it struck me that this organization, the URI, was nonexistent only five years ago. And while the present charter summit was not large in terms of attendees, it was designed to make a long-term impact on the global religious scene. We had gathered to make history.

    The Pittsburgh URI summit was a six-day event starting on Sunday, June 25. The actual charter signing, officially launching the world body, was held on Monday, June 26— the same day that the United Nations charter signing took place back in 1945. This was not a coincidence. The United Nations, through the vision of UN official Robert Muller and the events surrounding its fiftieth anniversary, was the guiding force behind the creation of the URI. Cementing this link, a letter of support from the San Francisco chapter of the United Nations Association was read on Sunday, and at the Monday charter signing, a congratula­tory conference call came from the UN. Unfortunately, due to technical difficulties, the telephone connection failed.

    Many other links between the URI and the United Nations exist. Currently, the URI and UNESCO (United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization) are partners in the United Nations sponsored International Year for the Culture of Peace, and in a concur­rent peace program called Manifesto 2000. The URI also has a “Cooperation Circle” inside the UN.

    Cooperation Circles, or CC for short, are at the heart of the URI agenda. CCs are self-organized groups that are “locally rooted and globally connected.” According to the URI, “Cooperation Circles support the spirit, values and vision expressed in the URI Charter’s Preamble, Purpose and Principles and carry out this vision in a multitude of ways.” Net­working CCs “provide opportunity for worldwide collective interfaith actions.” In essence, CCs are local church-like interfaith settings where URI members come together in inter-religious worship and interfaith community planning. It’s the URI at the grassroots level.

    On the global level—besides working with the United Nations—the URI is partnering with various interfaith world organizations. At the Charter signing, it was admitted that global inter-religious organizations such as the Council for the Parliament of the World’s Religions, are larger, have deeper linkages, and work within broader mandates. In the spirit of global cooperation, the United Religions Initiative is striving to interface with these more established inter-religious bodies. Already a CC has been created “to bridge the work of the Council for the Parliament of the World’s Religions and the URI.”

    In order to globally steer the URI, a Global Council is being organized. At the Pittsburgh summit we were introduced to the Interim Global Council, which was set-up to solidifying the official development of the URI as an international organization. According to a URI document given out at the summit, between June 2000 and June 2001, a process will be put in place “to select the 41 members of the first globally selected Global Council.” Al­though the document stated that the Global Council’s “central spirit is not one of control,” in casually discussing this issue with summit attendees, I was told that “control” was a real area of concern. Three URI members I talked with—one from Eastern Europe, one from the Caribbean, and a New Ager from the US—privately admitted that the URI has a real potential to become a controlling factor within the universal interfaith movement. These three attendees—who supported the summit—recognized the URI and its Global Council as a potentially dangerous element in suppressing genuine religious freedom. As the URI Charter’s Preamble explains, “We unite to support freedom of religion and spiritual expres­sion, and the rights of all individuals and peoples as set forth in international law” [empha­sis mine].

    The URI Charter Principles also allude to the creation of a controlling interfaith power structure. Principles 13 to 16 state,
    We have the authority to make decisions at the most local level that includes all the relevant and affected parties. (13) We have the right to organize in any manner, at any scale, in any area, and around any issue or activity which is relevant to and consistent with the Preamble, Purpose and Principles. (14) [The Charter is broad enough that almost any religious, “spiritual,” moral, or ethical issue could be construed to be relevant to the URI Charter Preamble, Purpose and Principles.] Our deliberations and decisions shall be made at every level by bodies and methods that fairly represent the diversity of affected interests and are not dominated by any. (15) We (each part of the URI) shall relinquish only such autonomy and resources as are essential to the pursuit of the Preamble, Purpose and Principles.
    URI members also agree through the Charter not to “proselytize” each other. In other words, members will not witness to, or proclaim that their religion is the “truth,” lest a mem­ber of another religious tradition become offended. This is interfaithism; the idea that all religions are pathways to the same mountaintop called “God.” It is the blending of all spiri­tual expressions, “truths,” and “gods” into a belief of global religious tolerance—”unity in diversity” is the motto.

    Of the approximately 250 who participated, “Christianity,” broadly defined, had the most representation. On June 26, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported that numerous “Chris­tian” denominations, including Roman Catholicism, did not support the URI agenda. This created a controversy, and at the Monday evening Charter signing ceremony, the Rev. P. Gerard O’Rourke, Director of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of San Francisco Ecumeni­cal and Interreligious Affairs office, gave a firm rebuttal to the Post-Gazette article.
    I want to correct something that I saw in your paper today in this city. I am here officially as a member of the Catholic Church, and this is where I should be…I am officially here. It’s where the Church should be right now—and it is here. Bless you all.
    Immediately following the Charter signing, I asked Rev. O’Rourke about the role of the Vatican in the global interfaith agenda. He told me that the Roman Catholic Church had received guidance from Pope John Paul II—through his words and his inter-religious activi­ties—that interfaithism is to be vigorously pursued. O’Rourke reminded me that the Catho­lic church, since the 1962 Second Vatican Council, had dedicated itself to advancing global inter-religious cooperation. He also told me that at least seven other Roman Catholic priests, each highly respected within Catholicism, were present at the URI charter signing and had offered their support to its goals.

    There can be no doubt that the global interfaith agenda is speeding up. Bishop William Swing, the Episcopalian founder of URI, sees his inter-religious organization playing a long­term role in the “new world” agenda. At the summit, Mr. Swing expressed his hope that fifty years from now, thousands from around the world would come to Pittsburgh and celebrate the URI’s fiftieth anniversary—much like the United Nations did in 1995. What the final role of the URI will be is not entirely known. And while the organization is presently small, it is strategically aligning itself within the framework of the global village.

    But how does Jesus Christ fit into the URI agenda? Not surprisingly, I never heard the name of Jesus mentioned at the summit. Nor could His name be brought up. After all, it was Jesus Christ who made it clear in John 14:6, “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” The exclusivity of Jesus Christ is in direct contra­diction to the goals of the URI, its Charter, and interfaithism in general. Not only does Jesus Christ claim to be the only way to God, negating all other “ways,” but He commands His followers to “proselytize”—”teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost…” (Matthew 28:19). And in Acts chapter one, Jesus proclaims that His message will be preached “unto the uttermost part of the earth.” Jesus Christ is not politically correct in the new global order.

    As mankind works to build a “peace” based on distorted New Age and interfaith agen­das, we who have the peace of Christ must maintain a steadfast determination to follow the will of God—recognizing the exclusive Lordship of Jesus Christ and proclaiming His mes­sage of salvation to all the world—regardless of what the cost might be. May we not be slack in this high calling.
  2. 06 Dec '17 22:09
    So who here thinks this interfaith thing is a good thing?
  3. 07 Dec '17 07:38
    Originally posted by @whodey
    So who here thinks this interfaith thing is a good thing?
    What’s your thoughts on it?
  4. Subscriber apathist
    looking for loot
    07 Dec '17 16:43
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    What’s your thoughts on it?
    Yeah. The op had too much to boil down easily.
  5. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    07 Dec '17 20:25
    Originally posted by @apathist
    Yeah. The op had too much to boil down easily.
    But it rather clearly evokes his "anti-collectivist" mindset. And from his normal posting style of presenting something as if it needs to be made fun of, and inviting others to do so, in an "isn't this horrible?" kind of way, as if his presentation is never fact-twisting.
  6. 08 Dec '17 04:30
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    What’s your thoughts on it?
    I get the church/state vibe from it.

    Do we want governments pushing a world religion? I say no.
  7. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    08 Dec '17 04:47 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @whodey
    I get the church/state vibe from it.

    Do we want governments pushing a world religion? I say no.
    Have you had a look at the URI Charter?

    https://uri.org/what-we-do/charter

    If what you want to discuss is your contention that it is "a world religion" [or, indeed, a "religion" at all] and that you have evidence that there are "governments pushing" it as a "religion", then make your case.

    You need to offer something more than how you get a "vibe" from it. That's like offering only the spectre of a straw man ~ easy for you to fulminate about, perhaps, but hardly something that others can discuss with you.

    For example, having read the mission and vision statements, which bits do you disagree with?
  8. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    08 Dec '17 04:56
    Originally posted by @whodey
    So who here thinks this interfaith thing is a good thing?
    What would be a 'bad thing', in your mind, about these 250 people joining an organisation that asserted that its members ...

    ...also agree through the Charter not to “proselytize” each other. In other words, members will not witness to, or proclaim that their religion is the “truth,” lest a mem­ber of another religious tradition become offended. This is interfaithism; the idea that all religions are pathways to the same mountaintop called “God.” It is the blending of all spiri­tual expressions, “truths,” and “gods” into a belief of global religious tolerance—”unity in diversity” is the motto.

    What is the problem with people not wanting to proselytize to fellow members who hail from other religions? If they want to proselytize to people from other religions and don't want to be a member of an interfaith organisation, can't they just not join URI?
  9. 08 Dec '17 13:13
    Originally posted by @fmf
    What would be a 'bad thing', in your mind, about these 250 people joining an organisation that asserted that its members ...

    [b]...also agree through the Charter not to “proselytize” each other. In other words, members will not witness to, or proclaim that their religion is the “truth,” lest a mem­ber of another religious tradition become offended. This is i ...[text shortened]... gions and don't want to be a member of an interfaith organisation, can't they just not join URI?
    There is no problem with it, so long as you don't live in Saudi Arabia where you can be arrested for proselytizing about any religion other than radical Islam.

    That is what I wish to avoid and get the sense that through PC, you may wind up with just that.
  10. 08 Dec '17 13:15 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by @fmf
    Have you had a look at the URI Charter?

    https://uri.org/what-we-do/charter

    If what you want to discuss is your contention that it is "a world religion" [or, indeed, a "religion" at all] and that you have evidence that there are "governments pushing" it as a "religion", then make your case.

    You need to offer something more than how you get a "vibe" fro ...[text shortened]...

    For example, having read the mission and vision statements, which bits do you disagree with?
    I don't have an issue with offending people. People need to be offended cuz last time I checked everyone one is full of poo and it all smells about the same. In short, it's good for the soul.

    (Edit: some poo smells worse than others, please stay clear of me on chili day)

    Naturally, my faith is the most offensive of all. Here it claims that one man hold the key to salvation for all. You can't get much more offensive than that.

    Having said that, I'm not exited about returning to the days of throwing Christians to the lions.
  11. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    08 Dec '17 13:28
    Originally posted by @whodey
    There is no problem with it, so long as you don't live in Saudi Arabia where you can be arrested for proselytizing about any religion other than radical Islam.
    You are arguing that there is no problem with URI except that Saudis would not be allowed to join it? Be clear.
  12. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    08 Dec '17 13:30
    Originally posted by @whodey
    I don't have an issue with offending people. People need to be offended cuz last time I checked everyone one is full of poo and it all smells about the same. In short, it's good for the soul.

    (Edit: some poo smells worse than others, please stay clear of me on chili day)

    Naturally, my faith is the most offensive of all. Here it claims that one man ...[text shortened]... aving said that, I'm not exited about returning to the days of throwing Christians to the lions.
    I took the time to respond to your post but you have completely dodged the content of what I said. Perhaps you could reread what you were 'replying' to and address what I put to you?
  13. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    08 Dec '17 13:31
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Having said that, I'm not exited about returning to the days of throwing Christians to the lions.
    What does this comment have to do with the OP [and URI]?
  14. 08 Dec '17 13:34
    Originally posted by @fmf
    What does this comment have to do with the OP [and URI]?
    It's the witch hunt for offensive language.

    For example, in some places in Europe I hear that pastors are not allowed to say that homosexual sex is an abomination to God cuz it is offensive.
  15. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    08 Dec '17 13:34
    Originally posted by @whodey
    I don't have an issue with offending people. People need to be offended cuz last time I checked everyone one is full of poo and it all smells about the same. In short, it's good for the soul.
    This has nothing to do with what I said in my post. And it appears to have nothing to do with the OP. What is it you want to discuss about interfaith initiatives? What do you disagree with with regard to the URI's mission and vision statements? Have you looked at their blog https://uri.org/uri-story ...are there things there you disagree with or think are bad?