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    02 Jan '11 10:43
    Is there an atheist, alive or dead, within these forums or without, who has truly lived as if God doesn't exist? In other words, is it possible for someone to live consistently in the 'light' of objective meaninglessness, without accidentally presupposing moral absolutes or pretending, even fleetingly, that their life has meaning?
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    And a second question: what does a consistent atheism look like exactly?
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    Originally posted by epiphinehas
    Is there an atheist, alive or dead, within these forums or without, who has truly lived as if God doesn't exist? In other words, is it possible for someone to live consistently in the 'light' of objective meaninglessness, without accidentally presupposing moral absolutes or pretending, even fleetingly, that their life has meaning?
    Sad that you can't realize life can have meaning beyond the nodding of a made up entity.

    As for your rephrasing, it displays such ignorance of the basis of atheism or moral absolutism that it's not worth my time. I expected better from you, guess I was wrong.
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    02 Jan '11 11:03
    Originally posted by epiphinehas
    Is there an atheist, alive or dead, within these forums or without, who has truly lived as if God doesn't exist? In other words, is it possible for someone to live consistently in the 'light' of objective meaninglessness, without accidentally presupposing moral absolutes or pretending, even fleetingly, that their life has meaning?
    Meaninglessness? Speak for yourself.
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    02 Jan '11 11:05
    Originally posted by Palynka
    Sad that you can't realize life can have meaning beyond the nodding of a made up entity.

    As for your rephrasing, it displays such ignorance of the basis of atheism or moral absolutism that it's not worth my time. I expected better from you, guess I was wrong.
    In other words you don't have a clue.
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    02 Jan '11 11:09
    Originally posted by josephw
    In other words you don't have a clue.
    Display your ignorance to us, joseph, do you think moral absolutism requires theism?
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    02 Jan '11 11:16
    Originally posted by epiphinehas
    Is there an atheist, alive or dead, within these forums or without, who has truly lived as if God doesn't exist? In other words, is it possible for someone to live consistently in the 'light' of objective meaninglessness, without accidentally presupposing moral absolutes or pretending, even fleetingly, that their life has meaning?
    "Is there an atheist, alive or dead, within these forums or without, who has truly lived as if God doesn't exist?"

    If it were possible to live as if God didn't exist, then God would have to not exist.


    "In other words, is it possible for someone to live consistently in the 'light' of objective meaninglessness, without accidentally presupposing moral absolutes or pretending, even fleetingly, that their life has meaning?"

    No. The mind of one who attempts to live as though moral absolutism was a delusion would be thrown into abject chaos. Some form of moral framework has to exist even for the atheist. I've never heard a sane atheist say that murder wasn't wrong.
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    02 Jan '11 11:17
    Originally posted by epiphinehas
    Is there an atheist, alive or dead, within these forums or without, who has truly lived as if God doesn't exist? In other words, is it possible for someone to live consistently in the 'light' of objective meaninglessness, without accidentally presupposing moral absolutes or pretending, even fleetingly, that their life has meaning?
    If "a-theism" is a belief that no gods exists, then Buddhism is a "a-theistic" religion, as good as any other.

    Atheism is not "a 'light' of objective meaninglessness". From where did you get this? It is equally true that the life of every theist is equally meaningless, seen from the other side.

    An answer to the question "what does a consistent atheism look like exactly?" can be found in Buddhism.
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    02 Jan '11 11:22
    Originally posted by Palynka
    Display your ignorance to us, joseph, do you think moral absolutism requires theism?
    That's ok Paly, you've already displayed enough for the both of us.

    Do you think moral absolutism requires atheism in order to exist? Or do you just make it up as you go along? Do you think moral absolutism evolves?
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    02 Jan '11 11:27
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    If "a-theism" is a belief that no gods exists, then Buddhism is a "a-theistic" religion, as good as any other.

    Atheism is not "a 'light' of objective meaninglessness". From where did you get this? It is equally true that the life of every theist is equally meaningless, seen from the other side.

    An answer to the question "what does a consistent atheism look like exactly?" can be found in Buddhism.
    "If "a-theism" is a belief that no gods exists,.."

    That is so odd. If there were no God theism and atheism alike would have no meaning.
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    02 Jan '11 11:28
    Originally posted by josephw
    That's ok Paly, you've already displayed enough for the both of us.

    Do you think moral absolutism requires atheism in order to exist? Or do you just make it up as you go along? Do you think moral absolutism evolves?
    😵
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    02 Jan '11 11:29
    Originally posted by josephw
    "Is there an atheist, alive or dead, within these forums or without, who has truly lived as if God doesn't exist?"

    [b]If it were possible to live as if God didn't exist, then God would have to not exist.



    "In other words, is it possible for someone to live consistently in the 'light' of objective meaninglessness, without accidentally presupposing ...[text shortened]... ven for the atheist. I've never heard a sane atheist say that murder wasn't wrong.[/b][/b]
    Oh, God, this is hilarious.
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    Originally posted by Palynka
    Oh, God, this is hilarious.
    Besides being hilarious, perhaps it gives his life meaning too.
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    02 Jan '11 11:38
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    If "a-theism" is a belief that no gods exists, then Buddhism is a "a-theistic" religion, as good as any other.

    Atheism is not "a 'light' of objective meaninglessness". From where did you get this? It is equally true that the life of every theist is equally meaningless, seen from the other side.

    An answer to the question "what does a consistent atheism look like exactly?" can be found in Buddhism.
    "Atheism is not "a 'light' of objective meaninglessness". From where did you get this? It is equally true that the life of every theist is equally meaningless, seen from the other side."

    How bizarre can you be?


    If you can state objectively that the life of one who believes in God is as meaningless as the life of one who doesn't, then my point made in my reply to Epi is well proven.

    Your mind is in chaos because you pretend to lack the moral objectivity which is necessary for having a sound mind. Yet you postulate from within the framework of moral objectivity and state that both atheism and theism leads to an equally meaningless life. 🙄
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    02 Jan '11 11:47
    I'm glad you two are enjoying each others company.

    You're both very entertaining.

    I especially enjoy the disparaging remarks.

    God forbid that either one of you will make a single intelligible argument.
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