Is Christianity Genetic?

Originally posted by googlefudge
Well you are talking to people not in Texas, who wont accept that as a valid excuse.

There is no need for, or excuse for, simply being crass and insulting, for no reason.


You can do better.

Excuses along the lines of "that's just how we talk down here" will not be accepted as
excuses for this kind of thing.

Okay. Sorry. How could I have made my point better? Or did
you even get what I was trying to say?

Originally posted by RJHinds
Okay. Sorry. How could I have made my point better? Or did
you even get what I was trying to say?

You were accusing me of worshipping my dick.

And that I would worship nothing else.

There is no meaning to this other than to insult me and accuse me of being a sex crazed ego maniac.

If you had any other meaning then you should have said that instead.



The point I was making was about what evidence would look like if it were to prove god's
existence.

And reiterating that I was not demanding proof of god so I could believe in it.

I was simply defining what such evidence would have to look like.

And what evidence you would need to claim knowledge of god.

And by extension any claim about what that god is supposed to have done.

Originally posted by googlefudge
You were accusing me of worshipping my dick.

And that I would worship nothing else.

There is no meaning to this other than to insult me and accuse me of being a sex crazed ego maniac.

If you had any other meaning then you should have said that instead.



The point I was making was about what evidence would look like if it were to prove god' ...[text shortened]... m knowledge of god.

And by extension any claim about what that god is supposed to have done.

So all the miracles done by God back in biblical days is not good enough
evidence?

Originally posted by RJHinds
So all the miracles done by God back in biblical days is not good enough
evidence?

No, because nothing in there could only be done exclusively by god.

And because we have no way of verifying any of them as having actually happened.

And many of them in fact we have evidence contrary to them having happened.

So no, nothing written in the bible, none of the events it describes, count as evidence
for god.


Now if your claiming that god wants there not to be evidence for his existence and that
you should have to have faith to be able to believe in him then hey he's done a great job.

There is absolutely no evidence he ever existed.

But given that there is no justifiable reason for believing in him.

Which is why I, and many others don't.
Along with all the other god's for which there is equally no evidence.

The thing is, not believing in god is useful.
Believing in god isn't.

Originally posted by googlefudge
No, because nothing in there could only be done exclusively by god.

And because we have no way of verifying any of them as having actually happened.

And many of them in fact we have evidence contrary to them having happened.

So no, nothing written in the bible, none of the events it describes, count as evidence
for god.


Now if your claimin ...[text shortened]... ually no evidence.

The thing is, not believing in god is useful.
Believing in god isn't.

Some of us see it a different way for we think believing in God is very useful.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Some of us see it a different way for we think believing in God is very useful.

Tell me one use of 'believing in god' apart from supposedly getting your imaginary soul into an imaginary afterlife.

Belief in god has throughout history been the biggest stumbling block towards improving
morality or advancing science and knowledge.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Tell me one use of 'believing in god' apart from supposedly getting your imaginary soul into an imaginary afterlife.

Belief in god has throughout history been the biggest stumbling block towards improving
morality or advancing science and knowledge.

In this present life on earth, believing in God sometimes can calm our
fears, ease our pain of losing a loved one, and even help heal our bodies.

Originally posted by RJHinds
So all the miracles done by God back in biblical days is not good enough
evidence?

and all the magic that took place in Middle Earth is not sufficient evidence to believe Frodo was actually a real character? 😲

Originally posted by RJHinds
In this present life on earth, believing in God sometimes can calm our
fears, ease our pain of losing a loved one, and even help heal our bodies.

Well belief in god is by no means the only way of calming fears, nor even the most effective.
And certainly one can meditate without being a theist.

I am not convinced 'easing the pain of loosing a loved one' by believing falsehoods is a good
thing.
The pain of loss is one of the driving forces in trying to see that it doesn't happen for as long as possible,
and means that life is valued to it's utmost.


And belief works as well as a placebo in healing. Anything classed as medicine by definition works better
than a placebo.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Well belief in god is by no means the only way of calming fears, nor even the most effective.
And certainly one can meditate without being a theist.

I am not convinced 'easing the pain of loosing a loved one' by believing falsehoods is a good
thing.
The pain of loss is one of the driving forces in trying to see that it doesn't happen for as long ...[text shortened]... lacebo in healing. Anything classed as medicine by definition works better
than a placebo.

If you know any prisoners of war, ask them if they believe in God and,
if so, do they think it helped them cope with the situation. It may all
be psycological, but why take away a persons crutch if they need it?

Originally posted by RJHinds
If you know any prisoners of war, ask them if they believe in God and,
if so, do they think it helped them cope with the situation. It may all
be psycological, but why take away a persons crutch if they need it?

I am sure many people find belief in an afterlife and god reassuring....

However that isn't a good enough reason to believe something, especially if it isn't true.

Truth is useful, and knowing what is or is not true is also useful.

This trumps believing in something false to help you in hard times but being lumbered all the time with false beliefs.


As all the evidence points to belief in god and an afterlife being false,
and belief in such things has demonstrably hindered our development, both scientifically and morally.
I think it should be ditched as soon as possible.

This doesn't mean there are not things you can take comfort or strength in as an atheist.

Originally posted by googlefudge
I am sure many people find belief in an afterlife and god reassuring....

However that isn't a good enough reason to believe something, especially if it isn't true.

Truth is useful, and knowing what is or is not true is also useful.

This trumps believing in something false to help you in hard times but being lumbered all the time with false belie ...[text shortened]...

This doesn't mean there are not things you can take comfort or strength in as an atheist.

I apparently see the evidence differently than you. Have you ever
considered that the people who have had near-dearh experiences
may have been telling the truth? Or have you rationalized this away
and just think they are either about to enter heaven or hell? I am
sure the later will be your reply. Like the Holy Bible says, no proof
will be good enough for some people, even one returning from the
grave will not convince them.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I apparently see the evidence differently than you. Have you ever
considered that the people who have had near-dearh experiences
may have been telling the truth? Or have you rationalized this away
and just think they are either about to enter heaven or hell? I am
sure the later will be your reply. Like the Holy Bible says, no proof
will be good enough for some people, even one returning from the
grave will not convince them.

Have I considered that people having near death experiences are telling the truth about what?

Originally posted by googlefudge
Have I considered that people having near death experiences are telling the truth about what?

http://www.near-death.com/