@vivify saidNo one would dispute that "a lot goes into" what external factors shape the perception and definition of what is morally sound and what is morally unsound in the interactions between people.
That's too simplistic. A lot goes into "morally unsound" acts, like culture, poverty level, mental health, etc., which also factor into what even defines "morally unsound" .
These things have been discussed here many times and there is no suggestion that they should be ignored.
Asking a different specific question in this instance ~ about the relationship between the ego and the id ~ is not "too simplistic". It's simply a specific aspect of the issue, that's all.
30 Mar 23
@mike69 saidWhen your or my mindset ~ our own moral compasses ~ do not "fit" with the "larger group" then differences in terms of what you and I, and they, hold to be right and wrong and "moral" and "immoral", if they become serious disagreements or conflicts, will then manifest themselves in legal and judicial ways. That is why people are sometimes sanctioned for matters of conscience.
And the larger group that doesn’t fit into your mindset.
30 Mar 23
@mike69 saidWhat do you mean by "moved"? Everyone's moral compass is unique and it develops as we grow and experience things in life; the perceptions and dispositions and decisions it's responsible for are an almost definitive component of each person's character and identity.
@FMF
And when the accepted compass is moved?
These things shift and adapt over time, even if we may not be very different, at our essence, at 20 than we are at 40.
What do you mean, specifically, by a moral compass being "moved"?
30 Mar 23
@mike69 saidI just read your question again and saw it in a different light. By "accepted" do you been "accepted by the larger group"?
@FMF
And when the accepted compass is moved?
If so, could you give an example or two of what "moved" means?
Remember, for me a moral compass is a personal attribute, function, facility etc.
A nation or a group of people doesn't have what I see as a moral compass. They will have shared values or laws or traditions, but moral compasses belong to individuals who use them to govern their interactions with others.
moral compass = an individual's conscience.
A group of people does not have "a conscience".
@fmf saidfmf,
I just read your question again and saw it in a different light. By "accepted" do you been "accepted by the larger group"?
If so, could you give an example or two of what "moved" means?
Remember, for me a moral compass is a personal attribute, function, facility etc.
A nation or a group of people doesn't have what I see as a moral compass. They will have shared values ...[text shortened]...
moral compass = an individual's conscience.
A group of people does not have "a conscience".
Are you working on trying to sound intelligent? It just doesn't seem to be working for you. 🙂
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02 Apr 23
@fmf saidI don’t understand the six red thumbs on this one?
What is the relationship between one's ego and one's moral compass?
If you are puffed up with pride (big ego) you will respond differently from a person who is humble?
Isn’t that the point of Ezekiel when satan is exposed as a renegade cherub where his pride (ego) has caused his own downfall .
You guys are just being mean for the sake of it - this was a perfectly legit question.
02 Apr 23
@medullah saidHave a scan through this
I don’t understand the six red thumbs on this one?
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02 Apr 23
@medullah saidOn this thread, by "ego" I do not mean pride or big-headedness.
Isn’t that the point of Ezekiel when satan is exposed as a renegade cherub where his pride (ego) has caused his own downfall .
By "ego" I mean ... “the part of the mind that mediates between the conscious and the unconscious and is responsible for reality testing and a sense of personal identity”. [Not my own definition.]
Meanwhile, the "id" is ... "the part of the mind in which innate instinctive impulses and primary processes are manifest."[Again, not my own definition.]
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@fmf said
On this thread, by "ego" I do not mean pride or big-headedness.
By "ego" I mean ... “the part of the mind that mediates between the conscious and the unconscious and is responsible for reality testing and a sense of personal identity”. [Not my own definition.]
Meanwhile, the "id" is ... "the part of the mind in which innate instinctive impulses and primary processes are manifest."[Again, not my own definition.]