Is it okay to test God?

Originally posted by @chaney3
Darn, I was hoping God would 'speak' to you. Oh well.

And I agree with Suzianne and option #2.

I can remember Ghost telling about the kind of person he his. I would say that if he did not exaggerate, then God has already spoken to him and he is actually following some of the commandments of Christ pertaining to showing love and compassion to those in need.

Originally posted by @rajk999
I can remember Ghost telling about the kind of person he his. I would say that if he did not exaggerate, then God has already spoken to him and he is actually following some of the commandments of Christ pertaining to showing love and compassion to those in need.

Ghost will likely deny that God has already 'spoken' to him, and will claim that it's his own personal morals system that's responsible. I doubt that he'd budge a hair to say that he's a friend of Jesus.

But if I recall correctly Rajk, you've said that belief in Jesus is not required, just your actions count.

Originally posted by @chaney3
Ghost will likely deny that God has already 'spoken' to him, and will claim that it's his own personal morals system that's responsible. I doubt that he'd budge a hair to say that he's a friend of Jesus.

But if I recall correctly Rajk, you've said that belief in Jesus is not required, just your actions count.

When Jesus was preaching His gospel He used the terms "believe Him" and "believe in Him" essentially in three different ways: 
1) Believe that He has the authority to speak the word of God 
2) Believe that His words are the word of God 
3) Believe His words in and of themselves. That is believe in living as Jesus exhorts people to live.

Of the three listed, the first two are as means of getting to the third and not the ends in and of themselves. Those who believe in living as Jesus exhorts people to live and therefore actually do it are His true disciples.

Jesus did NOT use them to mean to believe in the "redemptive work on the cross for salvation", "believe in the resurrection" or what have you - which is what many Christians think.

Originally posted by @thinkofone
When Jesus was preaching His gospel He used the terms "believe Him" and "believe in Him" essentially in three different ways: 
1) Believe that He has the authority to speak the word of God 
2) Believe that His words are the word of God 
3) Believe His words in and of themselves. That is believe in living as Jesus exhorts people to live.

Of the thre ...[text shortened]... alvation", "believe in the resurrection" or what have you - which is what many Christians think.

I doubt that Ghost believes 1, 2, or 3.

But I could be wrong.

Either way, I have never seen Ghost post a message that wasn't poised and that lacked respect to who he was talking to. I have attacked him, while drunk, and he never replied in an angry way. For that he has well earned my respect.

Originally posted by @chaney3
I doubt that Ghost believes 1, 2, or 3.

But I could be wrong.

Either way, I have never seen Ghost post a message that wasn't poised and that lacked respect to who he was talking to. I have attacked him, while drunk, and he never replied in an angry way. For that he has well earned my respect.

My post wasn't meant to address whether or not GoaD is doing it.

Rather it was to address the following sentence that you wrote. I should have made that clear. The point was to elaborate a little on how the gospel preached by Jesus supports the idea that "actions" are much more important that "beliefs".
<<But if I recall correctly Rajk, you've said that belief in Jesus is not required, just your actions count.>>

Originally posted by @thinkofone
My post wasn't meant to address whether or not GoaD is doing it.

Rather it was to address the following sentence that you wrote. I should have made that clear. The point was to elaborate on how the gospel preached by Jesus supports the idea that "actions" are much more important that "beliefs".
<<But if I recall correctly Rajk, you've said that belief in Jesus is not required, just your actions count.>>

Some will argue that if your "actions" follow the teaching of Jesus, then by default you "believe" in Jesus.

Originally posted by @chaney3
Some will argue that if your "actions" follow the teaching of Jesus, then by default you "believe" in Jesus.

True that.

Yet the vast majority of Christians will insist that when Jesus says to "believe Him" or "believe in Him", He means to believe in the "redemptive work on the cross for salvation", "believe in the resurrection" or what have you. The fact is that Jesus never said anything of the kind.

Originally posted by @chaney3
Ghost will likely deny that God has already 'spoken' to him, and will claim that it's his own personal morals system that's responsible. I doubt that he'd budge a hair to say that he's a friend of Jesus.

But if I recall correctly Rajk, you've said that belief in Jesus is not required, just your actions count.

What a man says is of no consequence.
Christians can proclaim that they believe and love God all they like.
NonChristians can proclaim nothing all they like.

All righteousness is of God
All sin and evil is of the Devil.

Jesus is there watching who it is that feeds him and clothes him.
Jesus has zero interest in proclamations of faith

Originally posted by @chaney3
Ghost will likely deny that God has already 'spoken' to him, and will claim that it's his own personal morals system that's responsible. I doubt that he'd budge a hair to say that he's a friend of Jesus.

But if I recall correctly Rajk, you've said that belief in Jesus is not required, just your actions count.

Belief in Jesus Christ and God is required for Christians.

Originally posted by @rajk999
Belief in Jesus Christ and God is required for Christians.

Are you getting all Paul on chaney?

Originally posted by @chaney3
Darn, I was hoping God would 'speak' to you. Oh well.

And I agree with Suzianne and option #2.

Yep, it was a long shot.

😞

Originally posted by @thinkofone
Are you getting all Paul on chaney?

😀.. I want him to ask me why.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Yep, it was a long shot.

😞

Maybe you can try being less arrogant? 🙂

It could help.

Originally posted by @rajk999
😀.. I want him to ask me why.

Okay, I will ask why?

Originally posted by @chaney3
Okay, I will ask why?

The bible contains rules and guidelines for Jews, Christians [Jews & Gentiles] and NonChristian Gentiles.

Those who are in the Christian category are in the most privileged position because they have first hand the teachings of Christ and the promise of Christ of eternal life if they follow Him. These Christians must have both faith in Christ and good works. They are the elect of God, a chosen people who are picked to serve with Christ during the millennial reign