Is it possible to put forgivness in action?

What seems to be getting lost here is the fact that a 15 year old girl is a CHILD and can't give consent. No matter how ADULT she may look she still has a mind of a child. So it's still rape. So he's still a rapist. He's still seriously perverted to take advantage of someone with the mind of a CHILD. There's nothing lower in my book than a man that will take advantage of a CHILD. If anything should be discussed, it's why wasn't this 25 year old given a life sentence?

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
What seems to be getting lost here is the fact that a 15 year old girl is a CHILD and can't give consent, no matter how ADULT she may look. So it's still rape. So he's still a rapist. He's still seriously perverted. There's nothing lower in my book than a man that will take advantage of a CHILD. If anything should be discussed, it's why wasn't this 25 year old given a life sentence?

In Sweden it's ok to have sex when you're 15 and above. But it's not ok
if one of the partners is 15 and the other is more than, I think, six years
older.

This tells me that a 15 year old (at least in the Swedish law) is
considered capable of having consensual sex. But also that someone
with greater life experience may be able to get a younger person into a
"corner" (in a manner of speaking) and "use" him/her. And I find that
act as despicable as real rape. In fact, I think it's called statutory rape.

Having said that, it's not at all impossible that a 15 year old and a 23
year old could have a relationship with sexual elements in it. I think
these things should be judged on an individual basis, because there are
many factors, and not just the sex part involved.

Also, how capable you are to make decisions about sex is directly related
to how much you know about sex. The same goes for everything in
life. If you've had a very sheltered childhood you may be totally
unprepared for these decisions even when you're 21 and older.

Originally posted by stocken
In Sweden it's ok to have sex when you're 15 and above. But it's not ok
if one of the partners is 15 and the other is more than, I think, six years
older.

This tells me that a 15 year old (at least in the Swedish law) is
considered capable of having consensual sex. But also that someone
with greater life experience may be able to get a younger per ...[text shortened]... od you may be totally
unprepared for these decisions even when you're 21 and older.

Get real. If a 23 year old man is looking for a relationship, he'd look to someone his own age. He looks to a 15 year old because he's a sexual predator and she's easy prey. It's statutory rape even if he convinces her that she's in a "relationship" and yes, it is as despicable as "real rape", because rape is what it is. Even in Sweden, since the "six year" law would apply.

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
Get real. If a 23 year old man is looking for a relationship, he'd look to someone his own age. He looks to a 15 year old because he's a sexual predator and she's easy prey. It's statutory rape even if he convinces her that she's in a "relationship" and yes, it is as despicable as "real rape", because rape is what it is. Even in Sweden, since the "six year" law would apply.

So much anger! 😕

No I don't think all people are that simple, plain and crude.

Each case should be judged individually, the way I see it. But don't get
me wrong. I'm not saying that 23-15 is always right, or even often.

Also, what if someone is above 18 (or whatever age is considered fully
grownup where you live) and still not able to make good decisions about
sex (that is, makes decisions that xe later regrets)? Shouldn't that be
dealt with in court too? I mean, the person was clearly persuaded to
commit the act without fully understanding all the consequences.

And before you say that's ridiculous, please bare in mind that we all
mature differently, due to environmental circumstances as well as our
mental abilities. So, it's quite reasonable to assume that there can be a
23 year old man with the mental maturity of a 15 year old. Now it gets
complicated. How can you judge a person who simply hasn't had the
chance to mature properly (for whatever reason) as if he's matured to a
level he hasn't yet matured to? 😀 That was a funny sentence to write,
and the fact that I wrote it tells me I should get some sleep now. So,
night. 😴

Originally posted by stocken
Absolutely. Acting on a sexual desire that is (in)directly harmful to others
I think is definitely wrong and it's a good thing that it's forbidden. No
argument there.

I wonder though, if someone made a movie of child pornographic nature,
yet no kids are actually harmed (like you can make a horror movie with
incredibly realistic murder scenes, yet ...[text shortened]... Not all americans are
the same, and in the same way, not all paedophiles are the same.

I think it depends whether the film glorified or sensationalised peadophilia. If it was clearly an 'anti' film, then i suppose it would be ok if not very graphic.

Originally posted by stocken
When you're only interested in a person sexually, and that person has
the appearance of a child even though (s)he's a grownup, then yes: I
would call that 'closet paedophilia'.* Of course, in that case it's not a bad
thing at all.

* Assuming you're only attracted sexually to people with a prepubescent
appearance. I have been sexually attracted to ...[text shortened]... et paedophiles' is not really fair either, is it? Hence, I withdraw
my own statement.

I was thinking. Maybe i should have said 'repressed peadophile' rather than 'closet peadophile'. But don't worry, i am not suggesting you are a repressed peadophile because you have been attracted to younger looking women, i am talking about fetish. I can see how a man with an asian fetish could be a repressed peadophile.

I don't mean someone who thinks asian girls are beautiful, because they clearly are often beautiful, but someone who 'wouldn't have it any other way' could be a repressed peadophile. Just a theory.

BTW, this doesn't automatically mean they are a bad person.

Originally posted by stocken
So much anger! 😕

No I don't think all people are that simple, plain and crude.

Each case should be judged individually, the way I see it. But don't get
me wrong. I'm not saying that 23-15 is always right, or even often.

Also, what if someone is above 18 (or whatever age is considered fully
grownup where you live) and still not able to make good ...[text shortened]... e,
and the fact that I wrote it tells me I should get some sleep now. So,
night. 😴

I agree. You are pointing out some of the many complexities around the issue.

Drunkenness can be just as dibilitating as youth. When people get drunk and consent to sex, maybe they are not in a fit state to make that kind of decision. Are they being raped?



A fifteen year old who has had sex over 50 times in her life since the age of 13. A man has sex with her and she wants him to, and she enjoys it. Is she being raped?

Compared to a situation of a 60 year old virgin spinster who had a few too many gins, and found a man in the pub's advances comforting, and later that night agreed to have sex with him. She was not in a position to make such a decision because of her naivity and loneliness. Was she raped?



Like you say, people are not so simple.

I think the law misses the point in the fact that an old man can legally have sex with a sixteen year old. This seems wrong and would be considered by myself a closer form of pedophilia than someone in their 20's having sex with a 15 yr old...

Also I wonder how much of a continuance is found in criminal behaviour through people's paranoia?

Originally posted by kirksey957
Tericka Dye was a teacher who was suspended and ultimately fired because she was in an adult film over 11 years ago. At the time she needed some money and that was how she made it. She later went into the service and put her life together. Now her past is held against her.
?

Where would I find a link to this film... to, er, review the degree of perversion.

Wow, talk about someone being punished for a mistake in their youth. I wonder if that's more a case of people being uncomfortable with their own sexuality or others.