Is it possible to put forgivness in action?

Tericka Dye was a teacher who was suspended and ultimately fired because she was in an adult film over 11 years ago. At the time she needed some money and that was how she made it. She later went into the service and put her life together. Now her past is held against her.

There is also a movement to evict sexual predators who live too close to playgrounds, churches or schools. While this may sound like a good idea, some of these people are in the 80's and living in nursing homes that just happen to be close to a school. Some are being evicted from their own homes that they have paid for. Some are in treatment centers or halfway houses. Too bad, they must go. What are we coming to in this country?

are you saying all because a peadophile is over 80 and has paid for his own home he's no longer a threat to society? i agree the teacher should have a second chance; but she is not in the same league with someone who has raped and abused a child; i would rather this country be over cautious than under cautious, too paranoid; the safety of a child is paramount

Originally posted by rooktakesqueen
are you saying all because a peadophile is over 80 and has paid for his own home he's no longer a threat to society?

No. I'm saying his past doesn't give others the right to evict him anymore than a murderer or a shoplifter. If he paid for his crime, he paid for his crime. It seems that with certain crimes it is a never ending right to persecute them.

Originally posted by kirksey957
No. I'm saying his past doesn't give others the right to evict him anymore than a murderer or a shoplifter. If he paid for his crime, he paid for his crime. It seems that with certain crimes it is a never ending right to persecute them.

It has nothing to do with whether or not someone has 'paid for their crime.'
It is a well known fact that pedophiles are frequently repeat offenders. And so are murderer and other criminals. In both cases some caution is required and it makes sense to take precautions to try and avoid repeat offenses. A bank robber will find it quite difficult to get a job in a bank. A murderer may be refused a gun license. A drunk driver may have his driving license withdrawn etc.
Does this have anything to do with spirituality?

Originally posted by rooktakesqueen
are you saying all because a peadophile is over 80 and has paid for his own home he's no longer a threat to society? i agree the teacher should have a second chance; but she is not in the same league with someone who has raped and abused a child; i would rather this country be over cautious than under cautious, too paranoid; the safety of a child is paramount

I like the way any peadophile is instantly a rapist and abuser. I know a lot of them are, and some of them are even murderers, and they are the ones we hear about the most, but a lot of them are not.

For example, i heard about a man in his mid-twenties who had consenting sex with his 15 year-old girlfriend. She got pregnant from this. He is on the sex offenders register as a peadophile for the rest of his life.

I know he was wrong to have the sex, it was illegal for a start, but a baby was born, which to my mind means she was an adult and therefore it was not peadophilia at all. He is officailly a peadophile for the rest of his life.

Sorry, its getting a bit off topic...

Maybe cases should be considered on an idividual basis, and forgiveness issued accordingly.

Forgiveness happens in our hearts. Law is law. You won't get much forgiveness in a court of law.

I don't see what's wrong with making porn films anyway.

Originally posted by twiceaknight
I like the way any peadophile is instantly a rapist and abuser. I know a lot of them are, and some of them are even murderers, and they are the ones we hear about the most, but a lot of them are not.

For example, i heard about a man in his mid-twenties who had consenting sex with his 15 year-old girlfriend. She got pregnant from this. He is on the se ...[text shortened]...

Maybe cases should be considered on an idividual basis, and forgiveness issued accordingly.

I would personally not classify the man in your example as a pedophile. The law may have its own definitions. However your claim that the ability to have children makes a girl an adult is false.

Originally posted by twhitehead
I would personally not classify the man in your example as a pedophile. The law may have its own definitions. However your claim that the ability to have children makes a girl an adult is false.

False? When talking about sexual development of any species, they are by definition 'adult' when they can reproduce. At least that's my understanding of the word. Perhaps i am mistaken.

Originally posted by twhitehead
It has nothing to do with whether or not someone has 'paid for their crime.'
It is a well known fact that pedophiles are frequently repeat offenders. And so are murderer and other criminals. In both cases some caution is required and it makes sense to take precautions to try and avoid repeat offenses. A bank robber will find it quite difficult to get a j ...[text shortened]... may have his driving license withdrawn etc.
Does this have anything to do with spirituality?

I think so. We are talking about sin, accountability, responsibility, and the response of a community. I am well aware of the problem of repeat offenders who are pediophiles. I am simply raising questions about evicting elderly people from nursing homes and feeling good that we are keeping children safe.

Originally posted by kirksey957
Tericka Dye was a teacher who was suspended and ultimately fired because she was in an adult film over 11 years ago. At the time she needed some money and that was how she made it. She later went into the service and put her life together. Now her past is held against her.

There is also a movement to evict sexual predators who live too close to play ...[text shortened]... ment centers or halfway houses. Too bad, they must go. What are we coming to in this country?

Do you have a link for the Tericka case?

Originally posted by lucifershammer
Do you have a link for the Tericka case?

Just google her and you will find her.

Originally posted by kirksey957
Just google her and you will find her.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rikki_Anderson

Originally posted by twhitehead
I would personally not classify the man in your example as a pedophile. The law may have its own definitions. However your claim that the ability to have children makes a girl an adult is false.

You guys really need to re-think this.

A fifteen year old girl has no idea what life is about. For that matter, neither do the vast majority of eighteen year olds, but they're light years ahead of fifteen year olds. It wouldn't take much for a pedophile to 'play boyfriend' and manipulate her into having sex. I don't know the statistics, but I'd be surprised if the overwhelming majoritiy of pedophiles don't con their victims into sex rather than use force. A guy in his twenties having sex with a girl is classified a pedophile because that's what he is.

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
You guys really need to re-think this.

A fifteen year old girl has no idea what life is about. For that matter, neither do the vast majority of eighteen year olds, but they're light years ahead of fifteen year olds. It wouldn't take much for a pedophile to 'play boyfriend' and manipulate her into having sex. I don't know the statistics, but I'd be sur ...[text shortened]... his twenties having sex with a girl is classified a pedophile because that's what he is.

Well i agree that people should not have sex with people under 16 for the reasons you give. I totally agree with you. But, to me, a 'peadophile' is a pervert who is sexually attracted to very small children. I suppose this means anyone before or during puberty. I personally don't think someone who is attracted to a person 15 years old should be classed as a 'peadophile'.

If they have sex with that person they are classed as a criminal, and rightly so, but i don't think the word 'peadophile' should apply.

Our disagreement is largely about our understanding of the word 'peadophile'. If you think someone who is attracted to a 15 year-old girl is a 'peadophile', well ok. But that is where we disagree.

Originally posted by twiceaknight
[b]I like the way any peadophile is instantly a rapist and abuser. I know a lot of them are, and some of them are even murderers, and they are the ones we hear about the most, but a lot of them are not.

i dont understand what you're trying to say! i quote, "but a lot of them are not"; a person under the age of 16 in the eyes of the law is a child; therefore, if you have sex with someone under 16 in the eyes of the law you are a peadophile. to say once a woman has had a child she is no longer a child is the just pathetic; what if a 11 year old girl is raped and becomes pregnant, is that 11 year old now classed as an adult in your eyes? the example you gave is worse, what is an adult doing having sex with a 15 year old anyway; she is not resposible enough to say no but he should be, she is navie and too young to understand, in that respect that does make him a peadophile because he has taken advantage of a childs vulnerability.

my example was right, a peadophile is a rapist and abuser - he is having sex with a person who is under the age of 16 and has not given permission for him to do so, that makes it rape and abuse - what would you call it? 5 or 15, a child is a child, if you disagree with this, i'm 33, would you be happy for me to have sex with your 15 year old daughter? thought not