Is logic faith?

Originally posted by Scriabin
Anxiety is what you feel when you think too much.

Anxiety is the state of the human being when he confronts his freedom

I am a little confused by what you mean by that.
I personally generally don’t get anxious just by thinking a lot ( although this would depend on WHAT I am thinking about 😛 ) nor confronting my freedom but I would get anxious by seeing a rabid dog just about to rip my throat out.

Originally posted by Scriabin
so you tell me why a chair is a chair, pls?

and how do you know, in the room you presumably are in, that the ceiling is above you rather than otherwise?

faith is how we define words and their appropriate usage?

A chair is a chair because we define it so, it is no different than the
our description of the laws of the universe, it is how we define them,
we may not understand them completely but we label them with
what ever term we use to describe our understanding of X. We live
in a universe and we make the most of it to understand it, now
sometimes we may get it right, other times no so much.
Kelly

Originally posted by Andrew Hamilton
I am a little confused by what you mean by that.
I personally generally don’t get anxious just by thinking a lot ( although this would depend on WHAT I am thinking about 😛 ) nor confronting my freedom but I would get anxious by seeing a rabid dog just about to rip my throat out.

you are confusing fear with existential angst

Originally posted by KellyJay
A chair is a chair because we define it so, it is no different than the
our description of the laws of the universe, it is how we define them,
we may not understand them completely but we label them with
what ever term we use to describe our understanding of X. We live
in a universe and we make the most of it to understand it, now
sometimes we may get it right, other times no so much.
Kelly

definitions come first or after we decide the appropriate context or usage for a word?

Originally posted by Scriabin
definitions come first or after we decide the appropriate context or usage for a word?

Hang around here long enough you'll see many here don't even hang
on to the definitions of words. What is appropriate can change cannot
it not, depending on the context as I have been told? The constants
within this universe may never change, how we view things always do.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Hang around here long enough you'll see many here don't even hang
on to the definitions of words. What is appropriate can change cannot
it not, depending on the context as I have been told? The constants
within this universe may never change, how we view things always do.
Kelly

Then your previous statement is false. A chair is a chair not because we define it as such. We both agree on how the word "chair" or the word "ceiling" is used in context.

As language usage does change considerably, it behooves us to check in with one another to be sure we mean the same thing when we use a word that has a number of potential meanings within complex contexts.

Ever read any Wittgenstein? Google him -- might interest you.

Note: I didn't ask what words are supposed to mean, according to the dictionary, I asked how do we know what words mean. I submit we do not learn our vocabularies from dictionaries unless you are competing fiercely in a spelling bee.

Originally posted by Scriabin
Then your previous statement is false. A chair is a chair not because we define it as such. We both agree on how the word "chair" or the word "ceiling" is used in context.

As language usage does change considerably, it behooves us to check in with one another to be sure we mean the same thing when we use a word that has a number of potential meanings wit ...[text shortened]... arn our vocabularies from dictionaries unless you are competing fiercely in a spelling bee.

And now, Scriabin, if I tell you that right now I am sitting on a chair in my house in Athens, Greece, what your system of Logic forces you to think?

Since you cannot be aware of this fact either through your own perceptions, or through those recounted by others whom you can accept as rational and reliable sources, you still cannot accept that this fact is real/ true or that it could be real/ true? Do you still have the feeling that you came to this conclusion in a rational way, or that your conclusion was based only on your subjective feelings and beliefs?

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Originally posted by Scriabin
Then your previous statement is false. A chair is a chair not because we define it as such. We both agree on how the word "chair" or the word "ceiling" is used in context.

As language usage does change considerably, it behooves us to check in with one another to be sure we mean the same thing when we use a word that has a number of potential meanings wit ...[text shortened]... arn our vocabularies from dictionaries unless you are competing fiercely in a spelling bee.

I actually do believe words mean things, I was pointing out that you
will see people here say straight lines can have curves and bends in
them or things of that nature. I'm in agreement that we have to be
careful in our use of words and not assume when I say straight it
means the same thing to you if we find we are debating it. It makes
us seemly have to talk at a snails pace some times as we define what
we mean, but to understand each other that is what it takes.
Kelly

Originally posted by black beetle
And now, Scriabin, if I tell you that right now I am sitting on a chair in my house in Athens, Greece, what your system of Logic forces you to think?

Since you cannot be aware of this fact either through your own perceptions, or through those recounted by others whom you can accept as rational and reliable sources, you still cannot accept that this f ...[text shortened]... ional way, or that your conclusion was based only on your subjective feelings and beliefs?

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I cannot prove you are telling the truth about where you are.

But if I were to become familiar enough with you over time, it might be reasonable for me to believe you are telling me the truth. Otherwise, I'd have to resort to using investigators to determine who is using the IP address that one could trace to your postings and where it is coming from.

The man who recently was appointed by Pres. Obama to be the Inspector General of his new Recovery office - to determine whether bailout funds have been or will in future be spend lawfully - used to head up the EPA criminal enforcement program, where I came to know him well.

He is a former manager and investigator for the Secret Service, where he was expert at electronic and data fraud, and therefore conversant with all available forms of sleuthing the internet. So I feel reasonably sure your location could be determined through rational means.

I don't have those means myself, so I'll reserve judgment as to whether you are telling me the truth -- I'm skeptical based on the incentives I see for you to be lying if you tell me you are in Athens, Greece. You also have incentives for telling the truth, but I'm not falling into the trap.

It could be true, because people in Athens, Greece can connect to the internet and also write and speak perfectly good English. They may, in fact, not be Greek at all, but merely someone from anywhere now located in Athens.

So why can't I accept that it could be true you are there? I just cannot confirm it as a fact.

I express no opinion - for I have no rational way to confirm it.

Originally posted by KellyJay
I actually do believe words mean things, I was pointing out that you
will see people here say straight lines can have curves and bends in
them or things of that nature. I'm in agreement that we have to be
careful in our use of words and not assume when I say straight it
means the same thing to you if we find we are debating it. It makes
us seemly have ...[text shortened]... me times as we define what
we mean, but to understand each other that is what it takes.
Kelly

we, you and I, accept in the ordinary course of things that certain words are meant in their simplest sense. So straight lines are as they appear along the boundaries of this rectangle in which I'm typing. Rectangles are not constructed of curved lines, last time I checked.

But the word "God" is what I asked about. And that is not a simple concept.

What is so hard about asking what you mean by it?

Originally posted by KellyJay
I actually do believe words mean things, I was pointing out that you
will see people here say straight lines can have curves and bends in
them or things of that nature. I'm in agreement that we have to be
careful in our use of words and not assume when I say straight it
means the same thing to you if we find we are debating it. It makes
us seemly have ...[text shortened]... me times as we define what
we mean, but to understand each other that is what it takes.
Kelly

You shouldn't discuss anything you don't understand.
If you do have opinion, then you have to listen and learn from those who actually have knowledge.

Originally posted by Scriabin
we, you and I, accept in the ordinary course of things that certain words are meant in their simplest sense. So straight lines are as they appear along the boundaries of this rectangle in which I'm typing. Rectangles are not constructed of curved lines, last time I checked.

On my monitor (a 21" CRT) the lines are curved in the third dimension. Kellys point is that in previous discussions we have claimed that a line that is straight in one dimension may be curved in others. He feels this violates the intended meaning of 'straight'.

Originally posted by Scriabin
I cannot prove you are telling the truth about where you are.

But if I were to become familiar enough with you over time, it might be reasonable for me to believe you are telling me the truth. Otherwise, I'd have to resort to using investigators to determine who is using the IP address that one could trace to your postings and where it is coming from.
...[text shortened]... confirm it as a fact.

I express no opinion - for I have no rational way to confirm it.

Therefore, since you express no opinion for you have no rational way to confirm it, maybe now we could agree that it is wrong to state "I choose not to accept as true or established fact that of which I cannot become aware, either through my own perceptions, or through those recounted by others whom I can accept as rational and reliable sources"
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Originally posted by FabianFnas
You shouldn't discuss anything you don't understand.
If you do have opinion, then you have to listen and learn from those who actually have knowledge.

It would be nice if you stayed on topic, instead of attempting to make
people the topic here.
Kelly

Originally posted by Scriabin
we, you and I, accept in the ordinary course of things that certain words are meant in their simplest sense. So straight lines are as they appear along the boundaries of this rectangle in which I'm typing. Rectangles are not constructed of curved lines, last time I checked.

But the word "God" is what I asked about. And that is not a simple concept.

What is so hard about asking what you mean by it?

You asked me about God? I may bave missed that, I'll go back and
attempt to see the context in which you did that.
Kelly