Originally posted by David Cr@p
Heaven forfend that your ego should be shattered to discover there is no higher purpose to your existence. Why can't it simply be a matter of enjoying your reality, and maybe reproduce along the way? Why try to attach some deeper significance to it all? For all you know, you might be a meat animal on an abandoned farm.
There are just so many things foolish about this statement, I'm tempted to leave it to its folly - but I've been where DC's been, and I've come a long way since, so here's my quick throw of more serious discussion...
Originally posted by bbra
Well, I await your future post. Perhaps a new thread is in order, because I often see this claim made in the forums, and I can't remember it ever being systematically addressed. As a quick rejoinder, suppose that the world is completely mechanistic, and that our psychologies can be reduced to biochemistry, or chemistry or physics. Would that entail that the love you have for your friends is any less real or important?
"I suppose the reason we leaped at "The Origin of the Species" is because the idea of God interferes with our sexual mores"
- Aldous Huxley
This was my motive for believing evolution for some time - it gave me free will to do as I desired without having to worry about some "greater being" to whom I may be accountable to. I did what most did: universe self existing? billions of years of mere chance? hey, no God! I can self-exist as I please and do (as David C so aptly said, "enjoy your reality and maybe reproduce along the way...) After several near-death experiences and witnessing a death of a close family member, re-evaluating life, searching for meaning in tragedy, and looking a little deeper into what I believed when I was challenged by people I respect.
Looking deeper into evolution - as concluded by bbra and DC - if chance and time somehow got us here, man is no more than matter, all emotions, desires, temptation, love, hate - our very consciousness can be broken down to bio-chemistry. We are no more than a complex lump of matter that exists by accident and has one purpose: survival (I'll come back to this one).
This lead to several conclusions (which I later discovered as I read through my many books I had on evolution):
1. Man has no more intrinsic value than a smart ape or a cow in a suburban herd and will ultimately die and be recycled into the ecosystem
2. There is no right and wrong (the only law is gravity, survival and ultimate death)
3. Man has no free will (all man is doing is acting to bio-chemical reactions dictated by his surroundings)
If man has no more value than a bug, and survival is the only law, and if I feel threatened by a fellow bug, what would stop me from killing him? If I felt attracted and aroused by my best friend's wife, and I want to ensure the survival of my gene, what would stop me from having sex with her - perhaps even raping her? What would compell anyone to risk his life for someone he doesn't know (thinking of the hundreds of firemen who died on 9/11) Can I decide anything? Nobody has chosen to love me - it just so happens that the right chemical combination popped into our heads... The heart-ache I feel at the loss of a loved one is nothing more than a temporary chemical imbalance.
I was too conscious of my free will, my consciousness, my mind and reason. Mere chance and chemical reactions can't explain my existence and the universe... If I may be as bold to assert, evolution is truly a theory that tries to divorce man from accountability from God, and most people are dumb enough to think that's all there is to it. Like a kid given a new car has no ideas of the implications of ownership (paying for gas, needing a driver's license, threat to life on the road, insurance... yeah, I know, a poor analogy).
Then I looked at the very bond that holds evolution together "Survival of the fittest" and I realised that the instinct of survival goes against the laws of nature. Why survive? It's a struggle, it's tough and pointless... Why not simply obey the law of thermodynamics and gravity (just lay down and die). So how did life emerge in a universe governed by this law (all things become colder and degenerate to the simplest form) - mere chance? I started hating that term, because I know what a cop-out it is. It's difficult to make anything work, how could mere chance create a solar system in perfect balance, an complex eco-system, incredibly complex organisms and just studying the human eye left me astounded at the perfect design of just that one organ. Think for a moment: have you ever scribbled on a page trying to get a pen to write and actually wrote a flawless symphony? Evolution is far less possible and the more time you give chaos, the less
chance there is for success!
There is so much more in evolution that left me shaking my head and now leaves me laughing (for one, how evolutionists will continuously refer to micro-evolution as proof for macro-evolution and how they religiously bring up the only beneficial mutation - sickle-celled anemia on malaria - like chopping off ones feet and never having to worry about athlete's foot... it goes on), I wouldn't want to spend an age going through them all. In essence, this is just a disorganised spitball on what lead me away from evolution.
I believe man does have values and rights (as the American constitution so elegantly states). I believe there is right and wrong. I believe I have a free will.
Excuse this post for being long and a little scattered - I'm tired from a thru-the-night shift...