Is the Bible trustworthy

@whodey said
As I have pointed out, many scholars seem to think that the author of Luke was the same person who wrote Acts.

So?

@whodey said
So any evidence of the 12 disciples all being martyred, except 1 because the attempt to kill him failed, is not evidence that they really believed what they purported to believe?

People all around the world really believe what they really believe. It is not evidence of any supernatural phenomena.

@whodey said
If you compare Revelation to Daniel, you will find something interesting. They both seem to be saying many of the same things regarding such things as "the Beast".

Well, the writer or writers of Revelation were aware of Daniel, right? "They both seem to be saying many of the same things..."

@whodey said
So any evidence of the 12 disciples all being martyred

Is there?

@whodey said
Why? What motivation?

Same answer as when you asked me this before.

@fmf said
So?

So there is a witness to the fact that Paul was converted on the Road to Damascus, a supernatural event.

This is something a prophet like Mohammad lacks. He pretty much had someone write an entire bible himself.

@whodey said
So Daniel is not what many claim it to be, which is a book that has no relation to the Bible in any way.

The Book of Daniel is in the Old Testament. That is its "relation to the Bible".

@whodey said
So there is a witness to the fact that Paul was converted on the Road to Damascus, a supernatural event.

I don't think there is a witness. Are you saying you believe that "Luke" was on the road to Damascus and saw the same "vision" ~ 20 years after "Jesus Christ" was killed?

@whodey said
This is something a prophet like Mohammad lacks. He pretty much had someone write an entire bible himself.

Well, I find Muhammed no more or less a convincing witness to supernatural communication than Paul or the person or people who concocted Revelation.

@fmf said
Is there?

The death of James was recorded in the Bible, the only death of a disciple recorded officially by a text.

I think most agree that Paul and Peter were both martyred. Most are passed down traditions and I have read several books on.

Do you think that with the knowledge that the early Christians were persecuted by the Jews and Romans, which is well documented, that the disciples did not pay a very high price for their perceived heresy or do you think they lived like Benny Hinn, in mansions and a jet set life?

@fmf said
The Book of Daniel is in the Old Testament. That is its "relation to the Bible".

My point here is that Revelation has a connection to the Bible, which agrees with Daniel.

@fmf said
Well, I find Muhammed no more or less a convincing witness to supernatural communication than Paul or the person or people who concocted Revelation.

Considering the moral presentation of the teachings and actions of Jesus, Paul, and Mohammad, which one seems more representative of a Holy God?

Which one is more likely to be telling the truth?

@whodey said
Do you think that with the knowledge that the early Christians were persecuted by the Jews and Romans, which is well documented, that the disciples did not pay a very high price for their perceived heresy or do you think they lived like Benny Hinn, in mansions and a jet set life?

I don't think their persecution ~ even to the extent that Christian folklore talks about it ~ is evidence of anything divine or supernatural.

@whodey said
Considering the moral presentation of the teachings and actions of Jesus, Paul, and Mohammad, which one seems more representative of a Holy God?

Which one is more likely to be telling the truth?

I don't believe the Bible and I don't believe the Torah and I don't believe the Koran - I don't believe any of them are a revelation of God. For me, there is no "more likely" or "less likely" calculation. The notion of a revealed "Holy God" is yours and not mine. It's your prerogative to believe what you want about "which [tradition] seems more representative".

@whodey said
My point here is that Revelation has a connection to the Bible, which agrees with Daniel.

Yes, and that is evidence - to me, at least - that supports my perspective.

According to your beliefs, did anyone "witness" the vision that the writer of Revelation supposedly had?