1. Standard membervivify
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    Given how significant the Holocaust was in Jewish history, is the Holocaust mentioned in any Biblical prophecies? Since most Biblical prophecies directly concern the Jews, is there any mention of this major event?
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    05 Jul '15 20:041 edit
    Originally posted by vivify
    Given how significant the Holocaust was in Jewish history, is the Holocaust mentioned in any Biblical prophecies?
    Since most Biblical prophecies directly concern the Jews, is there any mention of this major event?
    Considering the extent of European Christian complicity in the Holocaust, it would be politically
    embarrassing now *if* there were any Biblical prophecy about that genocide as applied to Jews.
    Jews were not the only victims of Nazi genocide, however, so would that supposed Biblical
    prophecy mention anything about the Nazi genocide of the Romani people (Gypsies) too?
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    Originally posted by vivify
    Given how significant the Holocaust was in Jewish history, is the Holocaust mentioned in any Biblical prophecies? Since most Biblical prophecies directly concern the Jews, is there any mention of this major event?
    Not yet. But it will. Biblical prophesies tend to get written after the fact.
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    Originally posted by vivify
    Given how significant the Holocaust was in Jewish history, is the Holocaust mentioned in any Biblical prophecies? Since most Biblical prophecies directly concern the Jews, is there any mention of this major event?
    There are several parts of the prophecy of Daniel and of Revelation [in fact all of the prophets incl Isaiah, Ezekiel] that people have interpreted to show that the Jews will be persecuted continually until they go back and reoccupy their homeland in 1948, The greatest persecution was the holocaust and immediately after that the land of Palestine was given by the British [and others] to the Jews.

    Not sure of the exact passsges but I guess you can Google it.
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    Originally posted by vivify
    Given how significant the Holocaust was in Jewish history, is the Holocaust mentioned in any Biblical prophecies? Since most Biblical prophecies directly concern the Jews, is there any mention of this major event?
    Holocaust

    noun
    1. a great or complete devastation or destruction, especially by fire.

    2. a sacrifice completely consumed by fire; burnt offering.

    3. (usually initial capital letter) the systematic mass slaughter of European Jews in Nazi concentration camps during World War II (usually preceded by the).

    4. any mass slaughter or reckless destruction of life.

    Originally a Bible word for "burnt offerings," given wider sense of "massacre, destruction of a large number of persons" from 1833. The Holocaust "Nazi genocide of European Jews in World War II," first recorded 1957, earlier known in Hebrew as Shoah "catastrophe." The word itself was used in English in reference to Hitler's Jewish policies from 1942, but not as a proper name for them.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/holocaust

    Some people have interpreted Isaiah 3 and Jeremiah 30 as referring to the WWII Hitler Holocaust, especially since Jeremiah 3o also speaks of the restoration of Israel and Judah. It was a result of the Holocaust that a homeland was established by the British for the Jews. And there is other prophecies that speak of dry bones being rebuilt with flesh and coming to life and a nation born in a day.
    ..."I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it." Now these are the words that the Lord spoke concerning Israel and Judah.

    “For thus says the Lord:

    ‘We have heard a voice of trembling,
    Of fear, and not of peace.
    Ask now, and see,
    Whether a man is ever in labor with child?
    So why do I see every man with his hands on his loins
    Like a woman in labor,
    And all faces turned pale?
    Alas! For that day is great,
    So that none is like it;
    And it is the time of Jacob’s trouble,
    But he shall be saved out of it.


    “For thus says the Lord:

    ‘Your affliction is incurable,
    Your wound is severe.
    There is no one to plead your cause,
    That you may be bound up;
    You have no healing medicines.
    All your lovers have forgotten you;
    They do not seek you;
    For I have wounded you with the wound of an enemy,
    With the chastisement of a cruel one,
    For the multitude of your iniquities,
    Because your sins have increased.
    Why do you cry about your affliction?

    Your sorrow is incurable.
    Because of the multitude of your iniquities,
    Because your sins have increased,
    I have done these things to you.

    (Jeremiah 30:3-7, 12-15 NKJV)

    Could the "CRUEL ONE" be Hitler?

    Moreover the Lord says:

    “Because the daughters of Zion are haughty,
    And walk with outstretched necks
    And wanton eyes,
    Walking and mincing as they go,
    Making a jingling with their feet,
    Therefore the Lord will strike with a scab
    The crown of the head of the daughters of Zion,
    And the Lord will uncover their secret parts.”

    In that day the Lord will take away the finery:

    The jingling anklets, the scarves, and the crescents;
    The pendants, the bracelets, and the veils;
    The headdresses, the leg ornaments, and the headbands;
    The perfume boxes, the charms,
    and the rings;
    The nose jewels,
    the festal apparel, and the mantles;
    The outer garments, the purses,
    and the mirrors;
    The fine linen, the turbans, and the robes.


    And so it shall be:

    Instead of a sweet smell there will be a stench;
    Instead of a sash, a rope;
    Instead of well-set hair, baldness;
    Instead of a rich robe, a girding of sackcloth;
    And branding instead of beauty.
    Your men shall fall by the sword,
    And your mighty in the war.

    Her gates shall lament and mourn,
    And she being desolate shall sit on the ground.

    (Isaiah 3:16-25 NKJV)

    The above is believed by some to fit how both the men and women were striped of all their possessions, even their clothes, so their private parts were exposed, and the women's heads were shaved so they were bald, and then killed so their bodies gave off a stench. But it is all a matter of interpretation as to what you want to apply it to, since no date as to when this was to happen is specifically given.
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    You have to want to see it in the Bible.

    One interpretation of 1 Samuel 16 that I have seen is that the suffering will be done by Israel, and then a descendent of David will ascend to the throne and his house will reign forever. One can interpret the holocaust as the almost overwhelming climax of that suffering and so the time is ripe for the throne prophesy to be fulfilled.
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    Originally posted by JS357
    You have to want to see it in the Bible.

    One interpretation of 1 Samuel 16 that I have seen is that the suffering will be done by Israel, and then a descendent of David will ascend to the throne and his house will reign forever. One can interpret the holocaust as the almost overwhelming climax of that suffering and so the time is ripe for the throne prophesy to be fulfilled.
    I believe if one does not want to see the fulfillment of any prophecy in the Holy Bible he will not see it.
    Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying, "Son of man, you live in the midst of the rebellious house, who have eyes to see but do not see, ears to hear but do not hear; for they are a rebellious house.

    (Ezekiel 12:1-2 NASB)
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    Some say Isaiah foretold the re-birth of Israel in one day

    “Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things?
    Can a land be born in one day?
    Can a nation be brought forth all at once?
    As soon as Zion travailed, she also brought forth her sons.

    (Isaiah 66:8 NASB)

    http://therefinersfire.org/israel_born_in_one_day.htm

    In Ezekiel 37 the LORD is giving the Prophet Ezekiel a vision of a valley that is full of bones. These bones were once people, the people of Israel. Israel has been dead so long that the bones are now dry. There is no sign of life in these people.

    The LORD told Ezekiel to prophecy to these bones and hear His words. Now this shows us that the bones are not a physically dead people, because one does not prophesy to dead people or their bones. Dead people cannot hear, so we know this is symbolic. The LORD is equating the condition of Israel with that of dead, dry bones in a valley.

    Israel and The Valley of Dry Bones, expanded teaching from "What Left Behind Left Out-The Truth"

    YouTube

    Are we seeing the fulfillment of the prophecy in Ezekiel 37 in Israel today?

    YouTube
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    The LORD tells Ezekiel why He is going to bring the house of Israel back to their own land from among the nations to which He scattered them. And why He scattered them among the nations and judged them by pouring out His fury on them.

    “And you, son of man, prophesy to the mountains of Israel, and say, ‘O mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord! Thus says the Lord God: “Because the enemy has said of you, ‘Aha! The ancient heights have become our possession,’”’ therefore prophesy, and say, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Because they made you desolate and swallowed you up on every side, so that you became the possession of the rest of the nations, and you are taken up by the lips of talkers and slandered by the people” — therefore, O mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord God! Thus says the Lord God to the mountains, the hills, the rivers, the valleys, the desolate wastes, and the cities that have been forsaken, which became plunder and mockery to the rest of the nations all around— therefore thus says the Lord God: “Surely I have spoken in My burning jealousy against the rest of the nations and against all Edom, who gave My land to themselves as a possession, with wholehearted joy and spiteful minds, in order to plunder its open country.”’

    Therefore thus says the Lord God: “I have raised My hand in an oath that surely the nations that are around you shall bear their own shame. But you, O mountains of Israel, you shall shoot forth your branches and yield your fruit to My people Israel, for they are about to come. For indeed I am for you, and I will turn to you, and you shall be tilled and sown. I will multiply men upon you, all the house of Israel, all of it; and the cities shall be inhabited and the ruins rebuilt. I will multiply upon you man and beast; and they shall increase and bear young; I will make you inhabited as in former times, and do better for you than at your beginnings. Then you shall know that I am the Lord. Yes, I will cause men to walk on you, My people Israel; they shall take possession of you, and you shall be their inheritance; no more shall you bereave them of children.”

    Moreover the word of the Lord came to me, saying:

    “Son of man, when the house of Israel dwelt in their own land, they defiled it by their own ways and deeds; to Me their way was like the uncleanness of a woman in her customary impurity. Therefore I poured out My fury on them for the blood they had shed on the land, and for their idols with which they had defiled it. So I scattered them among the nations, and they were dispersed throughout the countries; I judged them according to their ways and their deeds. When they came to the nations, wherever they went, they profaned My holy name—when they said of them, ‘These are the people of the Lord, and yet they have gone out of His land.’ But I had concern for My holy name, which the house of Israel had profaned among the nations wherever they went.

    “Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “I do not do this for your sake, O house of Israel, but for My holy name’s sake, which you have profaned among the nations wherever you went. And I will sanctify My great name, which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst; and the nations shall know that I am the Lord,” says the Lord God, “when I am hallowed in you before their eyes. For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them. Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God. I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. I will call for the grain and multiply it, and bring no famine upon you. And I will multiply the fruit of your trees and the increase of your fields, so that you need never again bear the reproach of famine among the nations. Then you will remember your evil ways and your deeds that were not good; and you will loathe yourselves in your own sight, for your iniquities and your abominations. Not for your sake do I do this,” says the Lord God, “let it be known to you. Be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, O house of Israel!”

    ‘Thus says the Lord God: “On the day that I cleanse you from all your iniquities, I will also enable you to dwell in the cities, and the ruins shall be rebuilt. The desolate land shall be tilled instead of lying desolate in the sight of all who pass by. So they will say, ‘This land that was desolate has become like the garden of Eden; and the wasted, desolate, and ruined cities are now fortified and inhabited.’ Then the nations which are left all around you shall know that I, the Lord, have rebuilt the ruined places and planted what was desolate. I, the Lord, have spoken it, and I will do it.”

    (Ezekiel 36:1-5,6-12, 16-36 NKJV)
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