Originally posted by JS357It seems to me that the post is saying that momentary beauty is 'the meaning of life' but gives no justification for this claim - and is thus a cause of confusion to the people involved.
Practically, accepting the lightness of being means accepting a certain lack of ultimate meaning in life, and living for momentary beauty.
Originally posted by twhiteheadYes, no doubt you are right. I don't mean to trivialize anything by referring to "story", or overvalue momentary beauty, and I don't think that the book does. (Incidentally, the author Milan Kundra distanced himself from the movie.) But it does seem to me that people are drawn toward finding significance in their lives to the degree that the thought that it might not be significant, is unbearable to them. We have heard that here from some theists WRT what it would be like for them without their faith. There is no reason that children or politics can't be what provides it. My child provides some of that for me. I have known one or two people who, before they "passed on" seemed to be content with the idea that life itself, is a momentary pleasure, but even they seemed to see lasting significance in the relationship they had with their family and friends and their accomplishments, such as taking a step forward generationally from where their parents were, in terms of child-rearing.
It seems to me that the post is saying that momentary beauty is 'the meaning of life' but gives no justification for this claim - and is thus a cause of confusion to the people involved.
It seems to me that if we accept a certain lack of ultimate meaning in life, that is no justification for then seeking only temporary pleasure. We may still find pleasure in more permanent or longer lasting goals such as our children or even politics.
Originally posted by JS357Do you mean 'not be significant in the larger scheme of things'? Something may be only significant to us, yet nevertheless very significant (to us).
But it does seem to me that people are drawn toward finding significance in their lives to the degree that the thought that it might not be significant, is unbearable to them.
Originally posted by twhiteheadI think the idea that something has significance is a subjective evaluation. Of course this leaves open the subjective notion of being part of something greater than ourselves. I appreciate the fact that you see the quoted text as not representing my view in every detail. Quoting others carries that risk. It is just that the phrase "the unbearable lightness of being" is an especially poignant and economic way of expressing an aspect of the human condition, for me; and I see that it is our lot to desire that our lives have some weight, some gravitas, while the doubt nags at some of us, that it might not. The existentialist in me then says, it will have the weight I give it.
Do you mean 'not be significant in the larger scheme of things'? Something may be only significant to us, yet nevertheless very significant (to us).
I generally agree with your second post and think that most people feel the need to be part of something greater than themselves and this has an effect on peoples behaviour with respect to religion and natio ...[text shortened]... etting a universal moral code, then we should all go around raping and murdering each other.
Originally posted by JS357This seems to be a mistaken interpretation of Nietzsche (though he is certainly subject to multiple interpretations), who once wrote: “I would believe only in a god who could dance. And when I saw my devil I found him serious, thorough, profound, and solemn: it was the spirit of gravity - through him all things fall.” [Perhaps the image of the tightrope-walker in Zarathustra.]
Is the lightness of being so unbearable, that we must have a story that rejects it?
Just something I found about a movie from long ago that has intrigued me ...
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The following are partial comments on the story, from:
...Practically, accept ...[text shortened]... owever, not even she is necessarily happy or fulfilled or sure of her life choices.
Originally posted by JS357And I think that is where the theistic solution (making God the 'ultimate purpose' fails. The fact that God wants something even if God is some infinite supreme being is no less subjective and may have little or no importance to me.
I think the idea that something has significance is a subjective evaluation. .... The existentialist in me then says, it will have the weight I give it.