1. lookin' at ya'
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    13 Jun '08 08:48
    did the cathlics change some of the ten commandments to siut their own purposes or am i missled?
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    13 Jun '08 08:50
    Originally posted by secret squirrel
    did the cathlics change some of the ten commandments to siut their own purposes or am i missled?
    You are mislead. It is 'easily' checked by the origional text.
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    13 Jun '08 11:59
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    You are mislead. It is 'easily' checked by the origional text.
    There are no "original" texts. There are only copies of copies of the original autographs. The trick is knowing which copies are reliable.
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    13 Jun '08 12:252 edits
    Originally posted by josephw
    There are no "original" texts. There are only copies of copies of the original autographs. The trick is knowing which copies are reliable.
    I believe that there are texts that are older than the Catholic Church. That is all that is required.

    Obviously we dont have the origional as Moses threw a temper tantrum and broke it.
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    13 Jun '08 13:10
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    I believe that there are texts that are older than the Catholic Church. That is all that is required.

    Obviously we dont have the origional as Moses threw a temper tantrum and broke it.
    Being older does not certify either authenticity or accuracy.
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    13 Jun '08 13:10
    ill consult my good friend and get more facts then post again,i think it was something like dropping the forth and halving the tenth into two.
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    13 Jun '08 13:18
    Originally posted by josephw
    Being older does not certify either authenticity or accuracy.
    It does however guarantee that the person / organization who existed after the older document was written did not invent the content of the older document.
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    13 Jun '08 18:20
    Originally posted by secret squirrel
    did the cathlics change some of the ten commandments to siut their own purposes or am i missled?
    No, it isn't true. The Ten Commandments were conceived by the Canaanites.
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    13 Jun '08 18:57
    Originally posted by secret squirrel
    did the cathlics change some of the ten commandments to siut their own purposes
    It wouldn't surprise me. You'd think God would have commanded against molesting children, but I don't see any such command among the modern Ten.
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    13 Jun '08 19:18
    Originally posted by secret squirrel
    ill consult my good friend and get more facts then post again,i think it was something like dropping the forth and halving the tenth into two.
    No; the Catholic Church only divides the commandments differently. For example, Catholic have the first commandment as "You shall have no other gods before me; you shall not make for yourself a false idol." Protestant translations tend to split this commandment into two. The Catholic Catechism is fully candid about this:

    "2066 The division and numbering of the Commandments have varied in the course of history. The present catechism follows the division of the Commandments established by St. Augustine, which has become traditional in the Catholic Church. It is also that of the Lutheran confessions. The Greek Fathers worked out a slightly different division, which is found in the Orthodox Churches and Reformed communities."
    http://www.va/archive/catechism/p3s2.htm
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    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    It wouldn't surprise me. You'd think God would have commanded against molesting children, but I don't see any such command among the modern Ten.
    In the Catholic Church, adultery constitutes any violation of the baptismal promise of chastity. That includes fornication, and hence, molestation of children. For a full enumeration of the offenses against chastity, here is a list:

    2351 Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes.

    2352 By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. "Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action."137 "The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose." For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of "the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved."138

    To form an equitable judgment about the subjects' moral responsibility and to guide pastoral action, one must take into account the affective immaturity, force of acquired habit, conditions of anxiety or other psychological or social factors that lessen, if not even reduce to a minimum, moral culpability.

    2353 Fornication is carnal union between an unmarried man and an unmarried woman. It is gravely contrary to the dignity of persons and of human sexuality which is naturally ordered to the good of spouses and the generation and education of children. Moreover, it is a grave scandal when there is corruption of the young.

    2354 Pornography consists in removing real or simulated sexual acts from the intimacy of the partners, in order to display them deliberately to third parties. It offends against chastity because it perverts the conjugal act, the intimate giving of spouses to each other. It does grave injury to the dignity of its participants (actors, vendors, the public), since each one becomes an object of base pleasure and illicit profit for others. It immerses all who are involved in the illusion of a fantasy world. It is a grave offense. Civil authorities should prevent the production and distribution of pornographic materials.

    2355 Prostitution does injury to the dignity of the person who engages in it, reducing the person to an instrument of sexual pleasure. The one who pays sins gravely against himself: he violates the chastity to which his Baptism pledged him and defiles his body, the temple of the Holy Spirit.139 Prostitution is a social scourge. It usually involves women, but also men, children, and adolescents (The latter two cases involve the added sin of scandal.). While it is always gravely sinful to engage in prostitution, the imputability of the offense can be attenuated by destitution, blackmail, or social pressure.

    2356 Rape is the forcible violation of the sexual intimacy of another person. It does injury to justice and charity. Rape deeply wounds the respect, freedom, and physical and moral integrity to which every person has a right. It causes grave damage that can mark the victim for life. It is always an intrinsically evil act. Graver still is the rape of children committed by parents (incest) or those responsible for the education of the children entrusted to them.

    http://www.va/archive/catechism/p3s2.htm
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    Originally posted by Conrau K
    In the Catholic Church, adultery constitutes any violation of the baptismal promise of chastity. That includes fornication, and hence, molestation of children. For a full enumeration of the offenses against chastity, here is a list:

    2351 Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when ation of the children entrusted to them.


    http://www.va/archive/catechism/p3s2.htm[/b]
    Do you think it is empirically true that "the moral sense of the faithful [has] been in no doubt and [has] firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action"?
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    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    Do you think it is empirically true that "the moral sense of the faithful [has] been in no doubt and [has] firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action"?
    I doubt that it is empirically testable. You would need identify an historical moment in which the majority of Christian faithful had approved of masturbation.
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    13 Jun '08 20:13
    Originally posted by Conrau K
    I doubt that it is empirically testable.
    Then why would the catechism claim that it is true?
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    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    Then why would the catechism claim that it is true?
    That what is true?
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