1. Standard memberDoctorScribbles
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    12 Feb '08 17:131 edit
    Inform me. Is the Catholic Church itself or one of its offices entirely responsible for the governing of Vatican City, or is it governed by an independent entity?
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    12 Feb '08 17:19
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    Inform me. Is the Catholic Church itself or one of its offices entirely responsible for the governing of Vatican City, or is it governed by an independent entity?
    It's a monarchy, led by the Pope.

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    12 Feb '08 17:311 edit
    Originally posted by Nemesio
    It's a monarchy, led by the Pope.

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    The Holy King Pope.. hasn't he enough titles ?
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    12 Feb '08 17:41
    Originally posted by serigado
    The Holy King Pope.. hasn't he enough titles ?
    Isn't it "The Holy King Pope Benedict the 16th Junior" ?
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    12 Feb '08 18:00
    Originally posted by Nemesio
    It's a monarchy, led by the Pope.

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    Makes sense. I guess I just never realized that.

    It seems like a relatively successful one, in terms of not being a completely miserable place to live.

    Any thoughts about why this is? Maybe:
    - its size
    - its cultural homogeny
    - its wealth
    - the benevolence of popes
    - its global accountability to Catholics
    - its proximity to other decent nations
    - its particular religious tenets and the degree to which they are in accord with a morally just government
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    12 Feb '08 18:031 edit
    Originally posted by PsychoPawn
    Isn't it "The Holy King Pope Benedict the 16th Junior" ?
    Holy King Pope Benedict XVI, the Constipated
    Holy King Pope Benedict XVI, the Nazi
    Holy King Pope Benedict XVI, the Dictator

    he must have a cognomen... ideas?
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    12 Feb '08 18:09
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    Makes sense. I guess I just never realized that.

    It seems like a relatively successful one, in terms of not being a completely miserable place to live.

    Any thoughts about why this is? Maybe:
    - its size
    - its cultural homogeny
    - its wealth
    - the benevolence of popes
    - its global accountability to Catholics
    - its proximity to other dece ...[text shortened]... cular religious tenets and the degree to which they are in accord with a morally just government
    That's what happens when you've finished plundering Europe for hundreds of years and you've only got 800 people. Lots of wealth per capita.
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    12 Feb '08 18:161 edit
    Originally posted by rwingett
    That's what happens when you've finished plundering Europe for hundreds of years and you've only got 800 people. Lots of wealth per capita.
    Perhaps the wealth per capita along with a somewhat equitable distribution is key.

    I had rejected wealth alone as an explanation, in light of other theocracies like Saudi Arabia which have effectively unlimited wealth. There, the wealth per capita is large, but it is distributed among a small portion of a large population.
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    12 Feb '08 18:28
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    - its cultural homogeny
    What makes you think the Vatican is culturally homogeneous? Or do you mean religious homogeny?
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    12 Feb '08 18:35
    Originally posted by darvlay
    What makes you think the Vatican is culturally homogeneous?
    Its number of gay bars.
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    12 Feb '08 18:49
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    Perhaps the wealth per capita along with a somewhat equitable distribution is key.

    I had rejected wealth alone as an explanation, in light of other theocracies like Saudi Arabia which have effectively unlimited wealth. There, the wealth per capita is large, but it is distributed among a small portion of a large population.
    When you've got less than a thousand citizens, almost all of whom are your employees, then I'd say it's a bit easier for the wealth to spread around. It's much more difficult with a population of 25 million. Besides, Christian doctrine does have many passages in the bible that speak against wealth and encourage spreading some of that around.
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    12 Feb '08 21:38
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    Makes sense. I guess I just never realized that.

    It seems like a relatively successful one, in terms of not being a completely miserable place to live.

    Any thoughts about why this is? Maybe:
    - its size
    - its cultural homogeny
    - its wealth
    - the benevolence of popes
    - its global accountability to Catholics
    - its proximity to other dece ...[text shortened]... cular religious tenets and the degree to which they are in accord with a morally just government
    I'm not sure how successful you can describe the Vatican City when it has only existed....seventy years. Before then, the Church governed most of central Italy, known as the Papal States.

    And it is a miserable place to live. Visits might be enjoyable, but residence intolerable. There is a lot of crime (especially thievery) and very little meat.
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    12 Feb '08 21:47
    Originally posted by Conrau K
    There is a lot of crime (especially thievery)
    That's rather hilarious.
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    13 Feb '08 10:111 edit
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    It seems like a relatively successful one, in terms of not being a completely miserable place to live.
    Well, how do you define success, and 'completely miserable'?

    Maybe the answer is that they get rid of anyone who might be miserable there - atheists for example. However I am sure that some of its residents are not happy.

    The answer is almost certainly a combination of factors including:
    1. Most of its residents chose to be there.
    2. It is a welfare state where the money does not come from taxes!
    3. A single, common religion does reduce conflict.

    For wealthy or well educated people, many countries in the world are not completely miserable places to live.
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    13 Feb '08 11:44
    Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
    Inform me. Is the Catholic Church itself or one of its offices entirely responsible for the governing of Vatican City, or is it governed by an independent entity?
    The pope is alleged to be the vicar of Christ in direct line from Peter. The pope's declarations are alleged to be equal to God's own words.
    It seems to me to be a theocracy.
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