Originally posted by FMFLike I responded to the big "D", you can tell a lie 1000 times but it doesn't make it true.
The premise of this question seems to be rooted partly in you deliberately ignoring every thread, every discussion, every debate that divegeester has been involved in on this forum - and there have been many on the topic of JW doctrine and JW behaviour - since December 2014 when you joined. Do you seriously and sincerely not know what reasons divegeester has given for criticizing the JW organization? Or are you being disingenuous?
It just means you don't understand it.
I got tired of his same old lies and don not feel that I have to respond
to them.
I don't think he has learned a thing. Why should I waste my time?
He's not looking for the truth. He just wants to denounce. Ho Hum 😴
Originally posted by roigamIn addition, JW do not baptise children automatically.
I don't know but I'm sure some are.
In our Congregation we have about one/year.
There are about 100,000 Congregations.
Did that help you?
They have to qualify by learning the truth of the Bible
and making their own decision to serve the true God.
Parents guide but do not force their children as testified to
by the many that never get baptised.
It's a personal choice for all, young and old alike.
Originally posted by Rajk999If you compare Re 7:4-8 with the original tribes of Israel you will see
Whether there are spaces or not in the 144,000 it is of no relevance to anyone except Jews born of the 12 tribes of Israel. Are you one?
that there are at least 3 differences in the listings, so, the listing in Re
is not a literal listing. It is symbolic (Re 1:1). It represents spiritual Israel or as
the Apostle Paul calls it, "the Israel of God"..
(Romans 2:28, 29) For he is not a Jew who is one on the outside, nor is circumcision something on the outside, on the flesh. 29 But he is a Jew who is one on the inside, and his circumcision is that of the heart by spirit and not by a written code. That person’s praise comes from God, not from people.
(Galatians 6:15, 16) For neither is circumcision anything nor is uncircumcision, but a new creation is. 16 As for all those who walk orderly by this rule of conduct, peace and mercy be upon them, yes, upon the Israel of God.
(Galatians 4:26) But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.
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Originally posted by roigamDifferences in the listing does not make it symbolic, neither does it make it spiritual Israel.
If you compare Re 7:4-8 with the original tribes of Israel you will see
that there are at least 3 differences in the listings, so, the listing in Re
is not a literal listing. It is symbolic (Re 1:1). It represents spiritual Israel or as
the Apostle Paul calls it, "the Israel of God"..
(Romans 2:28, 29) For he is not a Jew who is one on the outside, nor ...[text shortened]... pon the Israel of God.
(Galatians 4:26) But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.
Spiritual Israel has no names of forefathers [or descendents of Jacob] as stated in Revelation.
The 144,000 are all descendants of Jacob so dont delude yourself.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieBy the way Robbie, Dive has not provided a sound explanation why his faith is superior to yours.
Its a battle against ignorance. 🙂
FMF, who is a former Christian, turned atheist, has tried to speak for Dive on this matter, but doesn't realize that he could not possibly know completely what Dive's total beliefs are.
So, it is a win for you and the JW. 🙂
Originally posted by roigamHow many 1,000s of times has the lie that your organization has not made false predictions about the 'end times' in its official publication been repeated - and now by you here, on this forum, too - and does the repetition somehow turn something patently untrue into something "true" in your mind?
Like I responded to the big "D", you can tell a lie 1000 times but it doesn't make it true.
Originally posted by roigamAre there any repercussions for the children of JWs if they do not join the organization?
In addition, JW do not baptise children automatically.
They have to qualify by learning the truth of the Bible
and making their own decision to serve the true God.
Parents guide but do not force their children as testified to
by the many that never get baptised.
It's a personal choice for all, young and old alike.
Originally posted by chaney3He doesn't know anything, his faith is not based on accurate knowledge of scripture its based on a kind of emotionalism. This is why he cannot explain anything with regard to his faith and simply repeats the same insipid platitudes, Jesus is my saviour, Jesus is lord, where's my tambourine, I'm saved, etc Ask him a deeper and more studious question like, 'how does the ancient temple arrangement of Israel correlate to Christianity as explained by Paul', and he is at an absolute loss. FMF is also of this ilk, a man who allegedly spent twenty years as a Christian and who is essentially scripturally illiterate.
By the way Robbie, Dive has not provided a sound explanation why his faith is superior to yours.
FMF, who is a former Christian, turned atheist, has tried to speak for Dive on this matter, but doesn't realize that he could not possibly know completely what Dive's total beliefs are.
So, it is a win for you and the JW. 🙂