Originally posted by finneganbutter-wouldn't-melt-in-your-caring-Christian-mouth, LOL, tabloid sensational
You use the tones of sweet reason butter-wouldn't-melt-in-your-caring-Christian-mouth, while slipping in as your factual, objective evidence a video produced under false names by someone with a criminal record for selling illegal drugs and for bank fraud, funded by Coptic Christians in Egypt, made in America under deceptive conditions including tricking the ...[text shortened]... rds of our enemies, but we will always remember the silence of our friends."
journalism much? I have merely cited it as another instance of what transpires when
one insults the Muslim faith and in particular their prophet. I cited a similar event in
British India in the nineteen twenties, i can cite similar events closer to home, Theo Van
Gough, murdered, Lars Vilks, Swedish cartoonist, death threats, Salman Rushdie,
novelist, brought to attention the so called, 'satanic verses', verses which Muhammed
uttered in Medina when faced with a rather ominous crowd praising the deities of the
place, death threats, how much evidence will it need for you namby pamby liberal
secularists to realise that you are not dealing with a rational entity, one that can be
reasoned with?
Originally posted by robbie carrobie
butter-wouldn't-melt-in-your-caring-Christian-mouth, LOL, tabloid sensational
journalism much? I have merely cited it as another instance of what transpires when
one insults the Muslim faith and in particular their prophet. I cited a similar event in
British India in the nineteen twenties, i can cite similar events closer to home, Theo Van
...[text shortened]... to realise that you are not dealing with a rational entity, one that can be
reasoned with?
I have merely cited it as another instance of what transpires whenContrary to your protestation, it appears pretty clear to me that you have referred to the Innocence of Muslims as a source from which to make a judgement about the nature of Islam.
one insults the Muslim faith and in particular their prophet.
If you have taken the time to watch and read the comments on youtube of the video, the innocence of Muslims, you will be appalled at how deep the prejudice is and how unreasoning people really are.That video has been exposed as the product of a demented hate monger's sick fantasy. Since you rest your argument on sources of this nature, your resulting opinions cease to have any value whatever.
If I have misunderstood you then kindly confirm that you accept that this video is a horrendous collation of falsehoods produced to stir up hatred and that it conveys nothing accurate whatever about Islam.
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Originally posted by finneganI have provided many references to those who have criticised Islam in some form orI have merely cited it as another instance of what transpires whenContrary to your protestation, it appears pretty clear to me that you have referred to the Innocence of Muslims as a source from which to make a judgement about the nature of Islam. [quote] If you have taken the t alsehoods produced to stir up hatred and that it conveys nothing accurate whatever about Islam.
one insults the Muslim faith and in particular their prophet.
another, either through ribaldry or some other means, my concern is not with the
legitimacy of the criticism making your verbal tirade against the producers of the
Innocence of Muslims irrelevant, but on Islamic reaction to that perceived insult, which
you have still failed to defend intellectually, nor can you, for its inexcusable.
The video itself was clearly intended to insult, was Muhammad's father known? no
he is not known, was he a slave, yes he was a slave, did Islam impose a tax upon
those who were not Muslims, yes it did, does the Koran state that a Muslim can
despoil his enemies during warfare, yes it does, did Mohammed marry a child, yes
he did, so no, i am not going to state that it conveys nothing accurate about Islam, it
simply presents or rather twits these facts in a way which is simply intended to
offend,
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The post that was quoted here has been removedIt appeared to me as it did, why you should have construed that I would be disinclined
to read anything but yet inclined to watch a video presentation is hard to explain in any
other terms than I have a preference to be spoon fed. This was my immediate
reaction and my assertion of condescension, if it is untrue, then i retract it and issue an
apology. If I have implied that you are either ignorant or an apologist for Islamic
violence than I retract the statements entirely especially those which may have
produced this perspective. I can still find scant evidence of any condemnation of the
violence and instead find vague references to understanding and empathy and
humanity and all inclusiveness so beloved by the secular liberalist, but this is not about
you and I Duchess, it is about Islam and its intolerance to criticism of any form.
My last statement was simply a tongue in cheek 'dig', at you Duchess for you know
that I could never stay resentful with you for very long , even by the time it had
taken me to write the post.
aha i see now why you wrote what you did, it was in reference to 'so many words',
ok, then i am sorry, please accept my apology Duchess, I beseech you.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieRobbie you are a complicated person and you would have made a decent Jesuit with your wily circumlocutions. You still have the bare faced cheek to attribute some credibility to the Innocence of Muslims hate video. Your commentary merits nothing but scorn at your pig ignorance.
I have provided many references to those who have criticised Islam in some form or
another, either through ribaldry or some other means, my concern is not with the
legitimacy of the criticism making your verbal tirade against the producers of the
Innocence of Muslims irrelevant, but on Islamic reaction to that perceived insult, which you have s it
simply presents or rather twits these facts in a way which is simply intended to
offend,
I have not only failed to defend muslim violence intellectually but also failed to say anything that might possibly sound like approval of it. Where do you manage to dig up the straw man empty argument that implies I might even want to defend it? However, I can tell you that it is possible to incite a riot at a football match in Britain never mind about religion, and in the case of Glasgow there have been death threats and letter bombs over football. (I seem to recall that Honduras and El Salvador started a war over a football match - correct me if I have the wrong teams.) To complain about people who incite violence is not equivalent to saying that it is okay to be violent in response to provocation. You are playing a jesuitical game with slippery words.
In this comment of yours to the Duchess (my you are such a gentleman aren't you) you concede much of my argument:
I believe there's much to criticise within Islamic societies, and I know of many men and women of Islamic heritage, some of whom are still devout Muslims, who would make such criticisms. I would feel extremely uncomfortable, however, if I were to appear to align myself with, say, the British National Party (BNP), which has gained some political advantages by demonizing all Muslims. If I had been living in Germany around 1930, I would have had some criticisms of Judaism, yet I would have been reluctant to make them simply because I would preferred not to appear at all sympathetic toward the NSDAP (Nazi Party).I assure you that you do very much appear to align yourself with the fascists in this debate. It is therefore decent of you that you feel uncomfortable as a result. Your immoderate language alone suffices to demonstrate that you are very strongly aligned with those inciting hatred against Muslims. When I spoke out against hate speech, you referred to me as an "islamophile" as though this were a term of abuse. The problem with Nazi Germany as you well know was the failure of good people to speak out. I am not a muslim - I am an atheist. But then, I am not a Jew either and definitely I am an anti-Zionist. Yet I am prepared to speak out when I believe I see the evidence of resurgent fascism in a culture that is pushing its nasty politics forward by creating hate figures. Today that is not only the USA but also, in its trail, Britain.
People like you are content to light the fuse, then stand back in the shadows. The fascists don't need you to agree with them and will probably find a place for you on the hate list some day. They just need you to take the line you are taking in this forum, smugly assuming that as long as Muslims are the target you will be secure.
I lack your moderation I admit. That is because I '#'##''#' hate racists and I can't stand hypocritical racists of the "I-am-not-a-racist but...." variety.
Originally posted by finneganLOL, intellectually bereft you resort to the only course of action open to you, slander,
You are correct. He is less confusing than I thought. Just a straightforward racist bigot, not a complicated one. And incredibly aggravating.
predictable and not very original,
here is a song for you Finn, I hope you like it - regards Robbie.
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