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I think all the technology of surveillance, location tracking, identity tracking, buying habits, bit coin invention, going on under your skeptical noses is HEADING to what the Bible prophesied.
A dystopian society where you won't be able to buy or sell anything unless you admit your allegience to a terribly authoritarian despotic dictator called the Antichrist.
I didn't say it has arrived.
I didn't say it may be here next month.
I said I believe its all HEADED in that direction. Revelation 13, 14 and 17 give us warning. Eventually there will be a world like having "Food Inc." "Water Inc." "Place to Live Inc." "Survival Inc." - "Now WHERE'S your allegiance? To Me or God and Jesus? "
Scoff.
@sonship saidWhat in that new world which you call 'heading towards 666' will stop anyone from living righteously and doing good works and thereby being welcomed into the Kingdom of God as Jesus said in Matt 25, and throughout His teachngs. The answer is nothing.
I think all the technology of surveillance, location tracking, identity tracking, buying habits, bit coin invention, going on under your skeptical noses is HEADING to what the Bible prophesied.
A dystopian society where you won't be able to buy or sell anything unless you admit your allegience to a terribly authoritarian despotic dictator called the Antichrist.
...[text shortened]... o Live Inc." "Survival Inc." - "Now WHERE'S your allegiance? To Me or God and Jesus? "
Scoff.
If anything a new world order is going to stop religious mouth worshipers and fanatics like you from promoting your rubbish... thankfully.
It's already like that in places like China, where heavy surveillance monitors the behavior of its citizens. Those who express anything less than allegiance to China have their social credit scores lowered, which can affect their ability to get jobs and pay for food. And China is an adamantly atheistic society.
There are similar situations (to varying degrees) in Russia, N. Korea, Belarus, etc. So we're not too far from a world like the one mentioned in the OP.
It should also be pointed out that such conditions existed in Christian societies, like during the Spanish Inquisition when people were burned and the stake and tortured for refusing to be Catholic. There was no "mark" as far as I'm aware, but the same principle of "pledge your allegiance to me or suffer" applies.
@sonship saidHow does the Sermon on the Mount, for example, equip a follower of Jesus, in practical terms, to face the challenges of the modern world that you are alluding to?
I think all the technology of surveillance, location tracking, identity tracking, buying habits, bit coin invention, going on under your skeptical noses is HEADING to what the Bible prophesied. A dystopian society where you won't be able to buy or sell anything unless you admit your allegience to a terribly authoritarian despotic dictator called the Antichrist.
@sonship saidAnd yet you already have a smartphone, a bank account, internet at home, a debit card, a credit card, loyalty cards, online banking, a driving licence, a national insurance number, a digital tax code, email addresses, direct debits, a vehicle licence plate, a passport, a digital health record, a birth certificate, a marriage certificate, in fact a complete digital profile of you, your movements, your transactions, your misdemeanours, your health, your partners, your work, your income and your shopping preferences.
I think all the technology of surveillance, location tracking, identity tracking, buying habits, bit coin invention, going on under your skeptical noses is HEADING to what the Bible prophesied.
A dystopian society where you won't be able to buy or sell anything unless you admit your allegience to a terribly authoritarian despotic dictator called the Antichrist.
...[text shortened]... o Live Inc." "Survival Inc." - "Now WHERE'S your allegiance? To Me or God and Jesus? "
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How does the Sermon on the Mount, for example, equip a follower of Jesus, in practical terms, to face the challenges of the modern world that you are alluding to?
I would say in my experience in every way it equips the believer in Christ.
In every aspect of that sermon there is the living in an alternative kingdom under
and alternative administration.
It is a kingdom not of this world or this world's philosiphic, econominc, financial, or even typically social priorities. It's priorities are for another Person, another concept of ethics, and a purer and higher humanity. That sermon is for the highest realm of human morality possible.
HAVING SAID THIS MUCH - I must hasten to add this one important factor:
If the Speaker of that message is dead, it is not possible to live that way and it wouldn't matter.
@sonship saidSo you say. But then I read the rest of the stuff you typed and you came up empty-handed. You really do want to talk about doom and gloom and incomprehensible and savage cruelty, don't you? I asked you: "How does the Sermon on the Mount, for example, equip a follower of Jesus, in practical terms, to face the challenges of the modern world that you are alluding to?" And you offer nothing.
I would say in my experience in every way.
@sonship saidSo Christians building schools, operating food kitchens, laying down water and sanitation, and working to prevent diseases in remote areas, and other similar things, claiming to be inspired by Jesus to do so, are doing this in the wrong "kingdom"?
It is a kingdom not of this world or this world's philosiphic, econominc, financial, or even typically social priorities. It's priorities are for another Person, another concept of ethics, and a purer and higher humanity. That sermon is for the highest realm of human morality possible.
Are Christians struggling in THIS world to tackle "...this world's philosophic, economic, financial, and social priorities" possibly under the influence of "Satan"?
And if so, is it because they are not behaving like they are part of sonship's "higher humanity" telling themselves they are already heading for "a kingdom not of this world"?
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We have models around the world.
We have workable, testable communities on every continent.
You have kneejerk skceptical reactions and want to immediately hunt for rationals to discredit what God has done. Do not expect news flashes or sensational headlines. God's kingdom people are not of interests to the world rushing headlong to the society that the Bible predicts that emmerges just before the second coming of the King of kings.
A city set on a hill or the light of the world doesn't necessarily mean gushing good reports from worldly news outlets informing you of sensational clickbaiting information about things like this. The entire set of priorities of the world system developed from the fall of Adam are elsewhere.
God is only "useful" to provide maybe some bandaids here and there so mammon can continue. The sermon on the mount is about turning over your entire being to the King Jesus Christ.
Included in the words you rushed me off to refer to, are:
"For Your's is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever, Amen." (Matt. 6:13)
The world societies do not want the kingdom to be God's forever. They want it to be some country's for as long as possible, at least while mammon is flowing into the national coffers.
The world societies do not want the glory to be unto God or God's forever. They want the national prestiege which will be of use to establish these entitites.
The power, the glory, the kingdoms are not for God. Any use of "religion" is only for some fixes of the needy to take the preassure off of the greedy to have to share the wealth with others.
That Sermon on the Mount is for the kingdom, and power and glory of God.
You cannot expet it to be measured in success only in terms of "God we can do totally without. But let's see if we can pick up a few useful bandaids here to help us build our Tower of Babel. We might find a few useful tidbits in this fool's babble to help us along the way to our glorious godless tower reaching up to the heights."
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The Bible is one complete revelation. Even though events are seperated by centuries they are all related to an overall disclosure of the meaning of history.
The building of the Tower of Babel was a pre-figure of mankind uniting to construct a godless idolatrous world to replace the kingdom of God.
When I first read this story I wondered WHY God would stop them from being united to achieve all that they could. Wasn't that a good thing that all the world could unit under one grand purpose ?
Ie. "God why did you interfer to cause the work to cease? Why I thought you loved the world. I thought you loved us all, What's up with You not letting men speak one language and have one grandiose plan to make a great society and name for themselves?"
But I grew in Christ more and learned more the ways of God.
I was puzzled in reading Genesis 11:1-9 seen in the next post so some of you can muse as well.
@sonship saidSo, why do you so rarely talk about it or about other similar teachings of Jesus?
That Sermon on the Mount is for the kingdom, and power and glory of God.
Why has the simple question/invitation: "How does the Sermon on the Mount, for example, equip a follower of Jesus, in practical terms, to face the challenges of the modern world that you are alluding to?" simply opened up a floodgate and triggered all this pious waffle and essentially nothing about the "in practical terms" bit?
@sonship saidNone of this generic riffing answers my straightforward question.
You have kneejerk skceptical reactions and want to immediately hunt for rationals to discredit what God has done. Do not expect news flashes or sensational headlines. God's kingdom people are not of interests to the world rushing headlong to the society that the Bible predicts that emmerges just before the second coming of the King of kings.
@sonship saidAre Christians - inspired by Jesus - to struggle in the here and now to tackle "...this world's philosophic, economic, financial, and social priorities" possibly under the influence of "Satan"?
God's kingdom people are not of interests to the world rushing headlong to the society that the Bible predicts that emmerges just before the second coming of the King of kings.
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A preview into world history:
Copied from online RcV Gen. 11:1-9
And the whole earth had one language and the same speech.
And as they journeyed east, they found a plain in the land of 1aShinar; and they dwelt there. And they said to one another, Come, let us make bricks and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone, and they had tar for mortar.
And they said, Come, let us build ourselves a 1acity and a tower whose top is in the heavens; and let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be cscattered over the surface of the whole earth. And Jehovah came down to see the city and the tower which the children of men had built. And Jehovah said, Behold, they are one people, and they all have one language; and this is only the beginning of what they will do; and now nothing which they purpose to do will be kept from them. Come, let Us go down and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech. So Jehovah scattered them from there over the surface of all the earth, and they ceased building the city. Therefore its name was called Babel, because there Jehovah confounded the language of all the earth, and from there Jehovah scattered them over the surface of all the earth.
Man can unit but with a totally godless purpose and for a dystopian idolatrous monument of self glory. It can be secular or religious. It can be capitalistic or communistic. It can be be well intended in the eyes of the architects.
The kingdom and the power and the glory are of God forever. It can never be for the fallen mankind's withdraw from fellowship with God as thier life. Eventually the confusion will errupt. The misunderstanding, the scattering, the incompletion because this is not what man was made for by his Creator.
But this love of God is for the salvation of the world and the eternal kingdom of God under His administration of righteousness.