Originally posted by buckky
It's obvious that none of us know anything about spiritual issues . All the bickering about this religion, and that religion seems to go nowhere. Everyone is convinced of their own belief and that is where it all ends. The non believer has all the scientific facts to back their point, and the believers have Faith and Scripture to back up their belief .Ego pre ...[text shortened]... the ego wanting to be right at all cost. The ego is the Devil that prevents forward movement .
It's obvious that none of us know anything about spiritual issues .
Don't you think you can just speak for yourself if you feel that ignorant ? Why should we all accept that no one knows anything about spiritual issues ?
Timing occurs in many realities of life. I knew nothing about raising my own children for many years. It doesn't mean no one else knew something about it. Eventually my time came to learn something about it.
That neither diminishes me or exults anyone else. It was simply a matter of timing. Before I became personally experienced, why would I insist "Obviously, no one knows anything about raising kids." ?
All the bickering about this religion, and that religion seems to go nowhere.
That is really a separate matter. Someone tells you something and you bicker back. Then they argue.
It may get nowhere. That does not mean no one knows what they are talking about in a spiritual issue.
Everyone is convinced of their own belief and that is where it all ends.
Some have the expectation that if there is any spiritual realm then naturally there would only be ONE universal belief. That does not necessarily follow. And it does not absolve some people of having to discern where true truth really lies.
But there may be some overlap of truth. The Quran says there is only one God. The Bible says there is only one God.
Just taking that much and that much only. Both books are true. There is some overlap.
Buddhism says that there is a vanity to want, desire, and striving for happiness. To some extent the book of Ecclesiastes in the Old Testament says something similar. There is some overlap in what is true with the two beliefs - Buddhism and the Old Testament.
There is no need to dispair that there is no true spiritual teaching.
The non believer has all the scientific facts to back their point, and the believers have Faith and Scripture to back up their belief .
You did not do the work yourself in many many instances. You have to put your trust in what someone said, even in science.
Did you work out the calculations to demonstrate that the sun is the center of the solar system ? I bet you never worked out this astronomy for yourself. I bet you trust somebody that they are telling you the truth.
We all eventually put our trust in someone.
Ego prevents any true discussion to take place.
Sometimes that's the case. I am discussing with you something now, though.
You are presenting a kind of Agnostic belief. I think there are basically two types of Agnostics:
1.) "I don't know if there is a God. Maybe someone else does know."
2.) "I don't know if there is a God. And no one else knows either."
I think you are taking the #2 Agnostic approach. " I don't know. And everyone else is the same as me. They don't know."
How would you be diminished if you took the #1 Agnostic approach ? Is EGO an issue ?
How would it harm you to say "I do not know if there is a God. Maybe someone knows though." ?
When was the last time someone appeared to be transformed by anything stated of the Forum ? Ridgid attitudes about a subject that is so far beyond true understanding has to be the fault of the ego wanting to be right at all cost. The ego is the Devil that prevents forward movement .
If you have a question you would like to ask me, and it is serious, about my experience with the Lord Jesus Christ, I will try to answer it.
As I said, we should not feel diminished or threatened by timing. For years I had no experience of the spiritual. Then the time came for me to have experience with the spiritual.
You may move a candle flame from California to New Jersey by passing it on - one candle at a time.
You may keep a flame burning for years by moving from one candle to the next to the next. This is like the faith that causes one to meet Jesus Christ. It passes from person to person. It has passed down from two thousand years ago and is still moving.
Do not despise timing. Do not feel inferior because your time just is still approaching, if you are to experience at all, the living God.