1. Donationbuckky
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    27 Feb '12 17:38
    It's obvious that none of us know anything about spiritual issues . All the bickering about this religion, and that religion seems to go nowhere. Everyone is convinced of their own belief and that is where it all ends. The non believer has all the scientific facts to back their point, and the believers have Faith and Scripture to back up their belief .Ego prevents any true discussion to take place. When was the last time someone appeared to be transformed by anything stated of the Forum ? Ridgid attitudes about a subject that is so far beyond true understanding has to be the fault of the ego wanting to be right at all cost. The ego is the Devil that prevents forward movement .
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    27 Feb '12 17:39
    Originally posted by buckky
    It's obvious that none of us know anything about spiritual issues . All the bickering about this religion, and that religion seems to go nowhere. Everyone is convinced of their own belief and that is where it all ends. The non believer has all the scientific facts to back their point, and the believers have Faith and Scripture to back up their belief .Ego pre ...[text shortened]... the ego wanting to be right at all cost. The ego is the Devil that prevents forward movement .
    pleasant sunrise brought a tear to my eye.

    Black beetle also moves me
  3. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    27 Feb '12 17:40
    maybe 1 out of 500 ??
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    27 Feb '12 17:48
    Originally posted by buckky
    It's obvious that none of us know anything about spiritual issues . All the bickering about this religion, and that religion seems to go nowhere. Everyone is convinced of their own belief and that is where it all ends. The non believer has all the scientific facts to back their point, and the believers have Faith and Scripture to back up their belief .Ego pre ...[text shortened]... the ego wanting to be right at all cost. The ego is the Devil that prevents forward movement .
    The true believer has true scientific facts, the Holy Bible, and the Holy Spirit to
    back up his belief. 😏
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    27 Feb '12 17:53
    Originally posted by buckky
    It's obvious that none of us know anything about spiritual issues . All the bickering about this religion, and that religion seems to go nowhere. Everyone is convinced of their own belief and that is where it all ends. The non believer has all the scientific facts to back their point, and the believers have Faith and Scripture to back up their belief .Ego pre ...[text shortened]... the ego wanting to be right at all cost. The ego is the Devil that prevents forward movement .
    I agree with you, largely it's a waste of time to open any number of posts, but we gradually get to know who they are.

    But occasionally I get inspired, and that's enough for me. Your "The ego is the Devil that prevents forward movement" inspired me to do a plagiarism test (you passed, of course) which led to finding this little gem:

    “We must realize that we are all, like Dr. Faust, ready to accept the devil's inducements. The devil is in each one of us in the form of an ego that promises the fulfillment of desire on condition that we become subservient to its striving to dominate. The domination of the personality by the ego is a diabolical perversion of the nature of man. The ego was never intended to be the master of the body, but its loyal and obedient servant. The body, as opposed to the ego, desires pleasure, not power. Bodily pleasure is the source from which all our good feelings and good thinking stems. If the bodily pleasure of an individual is destroyed, he becomes an angry, frustrated, and hateful person. His thinking becomes distorted, and his creative potential is lost. He develops self-destructive attitudes.”
    - Alexander Lowen, Pleasure

    http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/243384.Alexander_Lowen

    This led to looking into Lowen and his Bioenergetic analysis techniques. All in just a few minutes.
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    27 Feb '12 18:22
    Originally posted by buckky
    It's obvious that none of us know anything about spiritual issues . All the bickering about this religion, and that religion seems to go nowhere. Everyone is convinced of their own belief and that is where it all ends. The non believer has all the scientific facts to back their point, and the believers have Faith and Scripture to back up their belief .Ego pre ...[text shortened]... the ego wanting to be right at all cost. The ego is the Devil that prevents forward movement .
    It's obvious that none of us know anything about spiritual issues .



    Don't you think you can just speak for yourself if you feel that ignorant ? Why should we all accept that no one knows anything about spiritual issues ?

    Timing occurs in many realities of life. I knew nothing about raising my own children for many years. It doesn't mean no one else knew something about it. Eventually my time came to learn something about it.

    That neither diminishes me or exults anyone else. It was simply a matter of timing. Before I became personally experienced, why would I insist "Obviously, no one knows anything about raising kids." ?


    All the bickering about this religion, and that religion seems to go nowhere.


    That is really a separate matter. Someone tells you something and you bicker back. Then they argue.

    It may get nowhere. That does not mean no one knows what they are talking about in a spiritual issue.


    Everyone is convinced of their own belief and that is where it all ends.


    Some have the expectation that if there is any spiritual realm then naturally there would only be ONE universal belief. That does not necessarily follow. And it does not absolve some people of having to discern where true truth really lies.

    But there may be some overlap of truth. The Quran says there is only one God. The Bible says there is only one God.

    Just taking that much and that much only. Both books are true. There is some overlap.

    Buddhism says that there is a vanity to want, desire, and striving for happiness. To some extent the book of Ecclesiastes in the Old Testament says something similar. There is some overlap in what is true with the two beliefs - Buddhism and the Old Testament.

    There is no need to dispair that there is no true spiritual teaching.



    The non believer has all the scientific facts to back their point, and the believers have Faith and Scripture to back up their belief .



    You did not do the work yourself in many many instances. You have to put your trust in what someone said, even in science.

    Did you work out the calculations to demonstrate that the sun is the center of the solar system ? I bet you never worked out this astronomy for yourself. I bet you trust somebody that they are telling you the truth.

    We all eventually put our trust in someone.



    Ego prevents any true discussion to take place.


    Sometimes that's the case. I am discussing with you something now, though.

    You are presenting a kind of Agnostic belief. I think there are basically two types of Agnostics:

    1.) "I don't know if there is a God. Maybe someone else does know."

    2.) "I don't know if there is a God. And no one else knows either."

    I think you are taking the #2 Agnostic approach. " I don't know. And everyone else is the same as me. They don't know."

    How would you be diminished if you took the #1 Agnostic approach ? Is EGO an issue ?

    How would it harm you to say "I do not know if there is a God. Maybe someone knows though." ?


    When was the last time someone appeared to be transformed by anything stated of the Forum ? Ridgid attitudes about a subject that is so far beyond true understanding has to be the fault of the ego wanting to be right at all cost. The ego is the Devil that prevents forward movement .


    If you have a question you would like to ask me, and it is serious, about my experience with the Lord Jesus Christ, I will try to answer it.

    As I said, we should not feel diminished or threatened by timing. For years I had no experience of the spiritual. Then the time came for me to have experience with the spiritual.

    You may move a candle flame from California to New Jersey by passing it on - one candle at a time.

    You may keep a flame burning for years by moving from one candle to the next to the next. This is like the faith that causes one to meet Jesus Christ. It passes from person to person. It has passed down from two thousand years ago and is still moving.

    Do not despise timing. Do not feel inferior because your time just is still approaching, if you are to experience at all, the living God.
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    27 Feb '12 18:43
    Originally posted by jaywill
    It's obvious that none of us know anything about spiritual issues .



    Don't you think you can just speak for yourself if you feel that ignorant ? Why should we all accept that no one knows anything about spiritual issues ?

    Timing occurs in many realities of life. I knew nothing about raising my own children for many years. It do ...[text shortened]... me just is still approaching, if you are to experience at all, the living God.
    Just because you may find overlap in belief's doesn't mean any of them or all of them are in any way shape or form correct. Yes, 8 billion people can ALL be totally wrong, just wishful thinking in terms of spiritual growth.

    Personally, if so-called spiritual values comes from a human, it is automatically suspect.
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    27 Feb '12 18:54
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Just because you may find overlap in belief's doesn't mean any of them or all of them are in any way shape or form correct. Yes, 8 billion people can ALL be totally wrong, just wishful thinking in terms of spiritual growth.

    Personally, if so-called spiritual values comes from a human, it is automatically suspect.
    Just because you may find overlap in belief's doesn't mean any of them or all of them are in any way shape or form correct.


    That is logically true.

    Is it actually true ? That remains for some to know.



    Yes, 8 billion people can ALL be totally wrong, just wishful thinking in terms of spiritual growth.


    And 1 person can be wrong and 10 billion right. Logically true, both.
    But what is the actual situation.

    Where are we now ?


    Personally, if so-called spiritual values comes from a human, it is automatically suspect.


    So if someone says "There is no God. Flat statement." that is suspect ?

    Let's say the non-existence of God HAS a spiritual value of zero.
    Is then the Atheist's ascertion suspect ?

    I should really not bother you this way. But sometimes just to show that your unbelieving logic is just as subject to scrutiny as believing logic is, may cause some, say, further consideration.
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    27 Feb '12 19:09
    Originally posted by jaywill
    Just because you may find overlap in belief's doesn't mean any of them or all of them are in any way shape or form correct.


    That is logically true.

    Is it [b]actually
    true ? That remains for some to know.



    Yes, 8 billion people can ALL be totally wrong, just wishful thinking in terms of spiritual growth.

    ...[text shortened]... as subject to scrutiny as believing logic is, may cause some, say, further consideration.[/b]
    The more this particular line of response and reaction drags on, the more this thread is, unwittingly, going to exemplify the OP's point.
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    27 Feb '12 19:21
    Originally posted by buckky
    It's obvious that none of us know anything about spiritual issues . All the bickering about this religion, and that religion seems to go nowhere. Everyone is convinced of their own belief and that is where it all ends. The non believer has all the scientific facts to back their point, and the believers have Faith and Scripture to back up their belief .Ego pre ...[text shortened]... the ego wanting to be right at all cost. The ego is the Devil that prevents forward movement .
    Well yes you are correct in pointing to Satan for these problems. The Bible says that Jehovah is a God of "order" so obviously all the disorder and confusion that we see in most things on this planet and that would include religions that allow that into their doctrines, fall under the ruling of Satan. The Bible clearly says he is the "ruler of the world" and is "misleading the entire world" at this time.
    So it's no wonder that religions that listens to demon inspired ideas and phylosophies are in the mess their in right now.
    This also shows the nature of Satan and his ability to use such a simple thing as confusion to have humans not obey God and not understand the simply truths in the Bible.
    But the Bible also says that a "few' will find the right directions to that "narrow road" that leads to life. So to say that no humans know anything about spiritual matters is wrong. By that scripture and by what most of the bible says about the future, there will be a "great crowd" that will follow Jesus's words and then as a result gain life.
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    27 Feb '12 19:253 edits
    Originally posted by JS357
    The more this particular line of response and reaction drags on, the more this thread is, unwittingly, going to exemplify the OP's point.
    After years of "going nowhere" one night I discovered where the barrier was.

    My sins had made a separation between me and God. The insulation of my sins had to be dealt with.

    The barrier of my sins had to be removed. In my experience, I was surprised to learn that something else was not the barrier between me and the experience of God. It was nothing more intriging. It was nothing more "interesting" to my intellect.

    It was my actual sins which incurred actual guilt before a righteous God, that was the insulation, the gulf between, and the separation. Thankfully God had made more than ample provision for the removal of that barrier.

    Latter on I came across this confirming passage in the Bible -

    "No, Jehovah's hand is not so short that it cannot save; Nor is His ear so heavy that it cannot hear. But your iniquities have become a separation between you and your God, And your sins have hidden His face from you so that He does not hear." (Isaiah 59:1,2)

    That day came for me when it was not a matter of "Oh its the OTHER guy. The OTHER guy has a real problem. The OTHER guys. They have the problem."

    A divine circle was drawn around ME. No one else was in that circle except ME. And the Holy Spirit showed me that it was my sins, what I did, what I had done, which had made a separation between me and knowing that God is living and real.

    It was not something more interesting. It was not that I didn't know enough about Quantum Physics. It was not that I didn't know enough Biology, or Geology, or Politics, or Psychology. The barrier was not caused by anything that interesting.

    It was my sins, my iniquities, my transgressions which incurred real guilt - these made a separation between me and the enjoyment of the reality of God.

    Thankfully Jesus Christ has made ample and tremendous remedy for the removal of the separating barrier, if I can just humble myself to admit to God that I need the Lord, the Savior, the "Friend of Sinners," the Good Shepherd, and the Great Physician - the Prince of Peace - Christ.

    Please read this one more time carefully, slowly from your heart -

    "No, Jehovah's hand is not so short that it cannot save; Nor is His ear so heavy that it cannot hear. But your iniquities have become a separation between you and your God, And your sins have hidden His face from you so that He does not hear." (Isaiah 59:1,2)
  12. Donationbuckky
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    27 Feb '12 21:072 edits
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    The true believer has true scientific facts, the Holy Bible, and the Holy Spirit to
    back up his belief. 😏
    To bad, that is a very poor reference to choose from, because of the subjective nature of such things. We have seen over and over again that religion and spiritual matters come in all shapes and sizes. All claiming to have the Truth. Subject experience can point you in a ceratin direction but the jury is out as to what is really going on .
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