Originally posted by LemonJelloi put this proposition before my rabbits and they appeared quite interested, however, their propensity for dwelling on their past experience of contributing to the forum and contemplating future results has led them, not to scepticism, but to reticence. Who knows perhaps contemplating the past and consciously planning for the future may help them adopt a different strategy.
robbie carrobie...rabbit consciousness.
Coincidence?
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieIf contemplating past experiences of social contribution and planning for the future were requisite for consciousness, then I suppose newborns and small infants are clearly not conscious.
i put this proposition before my rabbits and they appeared quite interested, however, their propensity for dwelling on their past experience of contributing to the forum and contemplating future results has led them, not to scepticism, but to reticence. Who knows perhaps contemplating the past and consciously planning for the future may help them adopt a different strategy.
Are you consistent on this position, or not? Does a newborn human (say, a neonate) possess consciousness? If so, why?
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Originally posted by LemonJelloare we by even the greatest stretch of your fertile imagination to assume from your preposterous statement that children are conscious of their actions, yes mum, it was a premeditated attempt for me to spill that milk and dribble down my bib like melony yellow does in his RHP posts.
If contemplating past experiences of social contribution and planning for the future were requisite for consciousness, then I suppose newborns and small infants are clearly not conscious.
Are you consistent on this position, or not? Does a newborn human (say, a neonate) possess consciousness? If so, why?
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieI didn't ask if they are "conscious of their actions" -- I'm not exactly sure what you are committing us to there in terms of agency. I asked if neonates possess consciousness. Do they?
are we by even the greatest stretch of your fertile imagination to assume from your preposterous statement that children are conscious of their actions, yes mum, it was a premeditated attempt for me to spill that milk and dribble down my bib like melony yellow does in his RHP posts.
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Originally posted by LemonJelloi dunno, but i would doubt it by definition, for they learn from observation, not through reflection of the past. do they have the ability to reason? i have never really thought about it.
I didn't ask if they are "conscious of their actions" -- I'm not exactly sure what you are committing us to there in terms of agency. I asked if neonates possess consciousness. Do they?
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieI would recommend you do some further study into the notion of consciousness. Under your view (whatever it formally is), it appears that only sufficiently developed humans are "conscious": you deny that other animal species have consciousness, and you deny that, for example, young humans have consciousness. You seem to have an extremely provincial understanding of 'consciousness'. What you take to be consciousness broadly construed is actually probably just some very specific higher-order form of consciousness (that, in its limited form, may well end up being specific to developed humans, to the exclusion of all other known life forms).
i dunno, but i would doubt it by definition, for they learn from observation, not through reflection of the past. do they have the ability to reason? i have never really thought about it.
Here's a link that can get you started:
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/consciousness/
Additionally, a good starting point would also be to burn all your reading materials from Watchtower.
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Originally posted by LemonJellothank you for your advise, naturally i will dismiss it as one would any other piece of sensationalistic journalism. science may teach us of the world around us, it certainly does not teach us how to live and be happy! and for the record i never denied that young humans do not have consciousness, i said that i did not know, for i have never thought about it at any great length. you know rather than simply assimilating material from others, why don't you try to have an original think about things, its not so hard.
I would recommend you do some further study into the notion of consciousness. Under your view (whatever it formally is), it appears that only sufficiently developed humans are "conscious": you deny that other animal species have consciousness, and you deny that, for example, young humans have consciousness. You seem to have an extremely provincial under ly, a good starting point would also be to burn all your reading materials from Watchtower.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThere already is an RC cola, but now you got me thinking. How about a Robbie Carrobie edition of the Ford Explorer. Edie Bauer is getting old anyway.
Lol, i dont think that it is as appealing or as fashionable as like pepsi, or coca, but hey, if you like you can have all the marketing rights!
Originally posted by joe beyserLol, Gavelstone is your man, hes a Ford man, Mustangs. i prefer Japanese cars, and anyhow, no one would buy a car with Robbie Carrobie , written on it. i have a Mitsubishi, L200 pickup, it has WARRIOR on the side, others have names like TROJAN, or ANIMAL, but Robbie Carrobie, no way my friend!
There already is an RC cola, but now you got me thinking. How about a Robbie Carrobie edition of the Ford Explorer. Edie Bauer is getting old anyway.
Joe Beyser, now that is a name, in the U.K we have a huge sports chain called just that, J.B. Sports, now that has panache.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI gotta say you are being modest here. Robbie Carrobie has a good ring to it! It would sound good on skis too.
Lol, Gavelstone is your man, hes a Ford man, Mustangs. i prefer Japanese cars, and anyhow, no one would buy a car with Robbie Carrobie , written on it. i have a Mitsubishi, L200 pickup, it has WARRIOR on the side, others have names like TROJAN, or ANIMAL, but Robbie Carrobie, no way my friend!
Joe Beyser, now that is a name, in the U.K we have a huge sports chain called just that, J.B. Sports, now that has panache.