Jesus Christ
10 Sep '09 18:442 editsOriginally posted by TerrierJackno, heaven is not just an administrative centre, (to understand its function, you must first understand the typical representation of the earthly office), as for Marx, i would never dream of abandoning my family and kids while i laboured over a thesis in the library.
So you're a radical materialist (like Marx and the mormons?) Heaven is just an administrative center? Everyone (even Hitler) is raised bodily to live out a perfect existence on this physical planet (do DC8s and nuclear bombs around volcanoes have anything to do with this? Was John Travolta 9ft tall?) Are you a divine person? (I already know Jaywill is no ...[text shortened]... there is no hell at all and we just dissolve into the ground will your time have been worth it?
It is impossible to say who shall receive a resurrection, i am not God, i cannot read a persons heart.
No they shall not live out a perfect existence unless they willingly submit to Christs reign. The scriptures indicate that many, although resurrected, shall refuse to learn righteousness.
The earth is perfectly capable of sustaining life, and has the potential to be a paradise, simply because we, are at present ruining it, is not an indication of its potential. if you can explain why, once the effects of sin are removed and mankind is restored to moral, physical and spiritual 'perfection' (this is of course relative), that this would not be possible, then be my guest.
I am as far away as a divine person as you could get, i am human, have human frailties and weaknesses like any other human.
There is no soul, which leaves the body and transcends death. death is death. we shall remain, unconscious of anything, no pain, no suffering, no sickness, awaiting the resurrection.
i am not a priest, nor a secretary, nor an administrator, i have no desire to live in heaven and cannot understand why anyone would want to. i am earthly and human.
i miss dearly the people that have been close to me and died, and cannot be bought with the empty promise that they are in heaven, as a flower in Gods garden.. i want to see them again and i have hope towards god that i shall, in the resurrection.
As for the southern baptists, they have no scriptural basis on which to base their claims of eternal torment and damnation, it is entirely outwith the character of a loving god, to torment someone for an eternity while they were in a state of imperfection and prone to making mistakes for seventy or eighty years, although , God is not one to be mocked.
To love is to live my friend, and i love the friends that i have gathered on this thin raft! it will have been worth it. Christ came to give people life, and life in full.
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