03 Jan '20 02:05>
First sonship I really do appreciate all the time and work and effort you are doing here. That is commendable and I truly mean it. I appreciate all the other comments here too by others.
And by the time you've taken, it's clear you take your beliefs very seriously just as most here do. But does that in itself prove that what we believe is really the truth even though we would lay our life's down on it? No of course not.
So why do so many believe in the trinity and would also lay their life's down for it?
As I mentioned earlier a "truth" of anything in life that can be proven such as the sun comes up from one direction only and sets in one direction only' is a "truth". One may try to say no it doesn't and may claim to have the proof it doesn't, but is that the "truth"? No. A truth never changes.
If God/Jehovah says one thing about himself such as the passage where he purposely and deliberately said he is ( one) God, is that not a truth? Did he really mean a God with 3 different parts or personalities or abilities or functions, etc?
Again as I've said many times in the past one must prove scripture with scripture.
If the Bible later on had Jehovah correcting that first statement and said he was changing how he wants us to understand who he is then that would be a different issue. But no where in the Bible does that new idea ever come up.
So either he lied to us or he's having a good laugh at the mess the trinity has caused since he stated he was "one" God. If it is a joke then a lot of people have died in the past for not believing the trinity. Would he do that to us?
My experience with ones who believe in the trinity and I see it here is sometimes too many scriptures are quoted that really don't apply or as was stated here in this thread, are taken out of context.
Or one misunderstands what is being said in the Bible. For instance Jehovah, our creator and the creator of his first son Jesus, was many things to humans.
You mentioned that Jehovah was called "a shepherd" to his people. Of course he was. He was fully involved in all aspects of his people and was everything they needed and was just as a shepherd to them in all their days.
Now there was God's son who was exactly as the Bible says and that was the "firstborn of all creation". It is clear that he had not always existed as his Father Jehovah had or this statement in the bible would not be a "truth". Jesus had a beginning.
The Bible says God/Jehovah "became more and more fond" of this firstborn son
who was later named Jesus once on earth.
Jesus was born here on the earth and he stayed completely faithful to his Father Jehovah on every possible level that was asked of him even to death. He was even tempted by Satan who would have never tested Jehovah.
So Jesus was given many rewards because of his faithfulness and one of many was his Father promoting his son with many responsibilities and the greatest was to take over for his his Father Jehovah to be the now acting King, ruler, judge and Shepard of his Fathers people who will one day either go to heaven to rule with him or to be the subjects of that Kingdom here on earth.
So yes they have both been labeled Shepherds in the Bible, but that does not mean they are the same spirit being. Jehovah simply gave his son the privilege of doing some of his Fathers responsibilities because of Jehovah trusting him to do the same perfect job that he, Jehovah, would do. Jesus was also given immortality after he was raised to heaven after he left earth. He was not immortal like his Father has always been until he was given that ability after he returned to heaven.
So many names, terms, titles were given to both the father and the son in the Bible.
Jehovah never had to earn, so to say, his titles, but Jesus did many by proving his love for his father Jehovah. They are not the same spirit being. But they are very much the same in their plans for us humans just as a president and vice president should have for their government.
And by the time you've taken, it's clear you take your beliefs very seriously just as most here do. But does that in itself prove that what we believe is really the truth even though we would lay our life's down on it? No of course not.
So why do so many believe in the trinity and would also lay their life's down for it?
As I mentioned earlier a "truth" of anything in life that can be proven such as the sun comes up from one direction only and sets in one direction only' is a "truth". One may try to say no it doesn't and may claim to have the proof it doesn't, but is that the "truth"? No. A truth never changes.
If God/Jehovah says one thing about himself such as the passage where he purposely and deliberately said he is ( one) God, is that not a truth? Did he really mean a God with 3 different parts or personalities or abilities or functions, etc?
Again as I've said many times in the past one must prove scripture with scripture.
If the Bible later on had Jehovah correcting that first statement and said he was changing how he wants us to understand who he is then that would be a different issue. But no where in the Bible does that new idea ever come up.
So either he lied to us or he's having a good laugh at the mess the trinity has caused since he stated he was "one" God. If it is a joke then a lot of people have died in the past for not believing the trinity. Would he do that to us?
My experience with ones who believe in the trinity and I see it here is sometimes too many scriptures are quoted that really don't apply or as was stated here in this thread, are taken out of context.
Or one misunderstands what is being said in the Bible. For instance Jehovah, our creator and the creator of his first son Jesus, was many things to humans.
You mentioned that Jehovah was called "a shepherd" to his people. Of course he was. He was fully involved in all aspects of his people and was everything they needed and was just as a shepherd to them in all their days.
Now there was God's son who was exactly as the Bible says and that was the "firstborn of all creation". It is clear that he had not always existed as his Father Jehovah had or this statement in the bible would not be a "truth". Jesus had a beginning.
The Bible says God/Jehovah "became more and more fond" of this firstborn son
who was later named Jesus once on earth.
Jesus was born here on the earth and he stayed completely faithful to his Father Jehovah on every possible level that was asked of him even to death. He was even tempted by Satan who would have never tested Jehovah.
So Jesus was given many rewards because of his faithfulness and one of many was his Father promoting his son with many responsibilities and the greatest was to take over for his his Father Jehovah to be the now acting King, ruler, judge and Shepard of his Fathers people who will one day either go to heaven to rule with him or to be the subjects of that Kingdom here on earth.
So yes they have both been labeled Shepherds in the Bible, but that does not mean they are the same spirit being. Jehovah simply gave his son the privilege of doing some of his Fathers responsibilities because of Jehovah trusting him to do the same perfect job that he, Jehovah, would do. Jesus was also given immortality after he was raised to heaven after he left earth. He was not immortal like his Father has always been until he was given that ability after he returned to heaven.
So many names, terms, titles were given to both the father and the son in the Bible.
Jehovah never had to earn, so to say, his titles, but Jesus did many by proving his love for his father Jehovah. They are not the same spirit being. But they are very much the same in their plans for us humans just as a president and vice president should have for their government.