Jesus vs Muhammed - the REAL Clown's Challenge

Originally posted by Palynka
You seem to hold the view that Muslims worship Muhammad.

They don't. Mohammed is not the equivalent of Jesus.
The fact that they do not consider him the son of Allah
makes the difference.

However, they hold the Qur'an and the hadith as life
guides, and, well, you know what the Qur'an and the
hadith are. The interpretation by the imams comes
in third place, but is no consolation.

But let's go back to your question. Once I have answered
you, would you like to rethink that question? I clearly
do not match the criteria you wanted to portray with
the link you provided.

Let's keep it up.

Jesus

Matthew 5:10-12

Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

Mohammed

Qur'an 2:191

And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

Originally posted by Seitse
They don't. Mohammed is not the equivalent of Jesus.
The fact that they do not consider him the son of Allah
makes the difference.

However, they hold the Qur'an and the hadith as life
guides, and, well, you know what the Qur'an and the
hadith are. The interpretation by the imams comes
in third place, but is no consolation.

But let's go back to you ...[text shortened]... ion? I clearly
do not match the criteria you wanted to portray with
the link you provided.

They do mention the issue of worshipping Muhammad, although not as much as they should as that was a central part of the medieval views on Muslims.

So why do you call them "Mohammedans"?

Originally posted by Palynka
They do mention the issue of worshipping Muhammad, although not as much as they should as that was a central part of the medieval views on Muslims.

So why do you call them "Mohammedans"?

"You"? Meaning me?

I call them Muslims. The moderate ones, at least.

The nutcases I call them Islamists.

Just for the sake of differentiating.

Are you Catholic?

Originally posted by Seitse
"You"? Meaning me?

I call them Muslims. The moderate ones, at least.

The nutcases I call them Islamists.

Just for the sake of differentiating.

Are you Catholic?

You used the word in this thread, didn't you?

I'm a devout Palynkian.

Originally posted by Palynka
You used the word in this thread, didn't you?

I'm a devout Palynkian.

I stand corrected. I should have said "followers of the Qur'an".

Originally posted by Seitse
Just because I hold you dear, I took the bother of reading
the link you provided. Here is my answer to you:

* I do not think Mohammed is a false prophet.
* I do not think Mohammed is a servant of Satan.
* I do not think Mohammed is the anti-Christ.

How is my view of Mohammed similar to the one portrayed
in the link you provided?

So Mohammad is not a false prophet? If memory serves, he denied Jesus as being the Son of God. You must the agree.

In addition, you have said that the teachings of Mohammad spread hate. How then is he not a false prophet?

Originally posted by Seitse
Er... followers of Mohammed?

No, I am looking for quotes from Mohammad that would indicate it could be possible at any time to be merciful towards ones enemies at any point.

In short, it possible to show mercy for Mohammadimians who follow his literal teachings?

Originally posted by whodey
So Mohammad is not a false prophet? If memory serves, he denied Jesus as being the Son of God. You must the agree.

In addition, you have said that the teachings of Mohammad spread hate. How then is he not a false prophet?

Mohammed was just a human being. Not a prophet. False or true one.

He was born. He worked as a merchant. He killed people. He got into
politics. He searched for power. He shagged (including Aisha, a minor).
He told some wacky stuff. Then he died. And he is still dead.

But, hey, that is just my take on the guy.

Let's go back to the thread and see what each one said.

Sounds like "muhammed" is more "old testament". New testament. ...... and from him that would borrow of thee turn thou not away. Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which dispitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in Heaven: for He maketh His sun to rise on the evil and on the good and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? Do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethern only, what do ye more then others? Do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in Heaven is perfect. Take heed that ye do not..........

Originally posted by Seitse
[b]Mohammed was just a human being. Not a prophet. False or true one.

But he claimed to be a prophet of God, therefore, he is either the real deal or a false one.

You might want to look at the false prophet spoken of in Revelation. Many identify Mohammad as being that person.

Originally posted by whodey
But he claimed to be a prophet of God, therefore, he is either the real deal or a false one.

You might want to look at the false prophet spoken of in Revelation. Many identify Mohammad as being that person.

I have a neighbor who is on crack and claims
to be god's prophet.

We're not going to go around the world tagging
any nutcase who claims to be god's prophet, do
we? I mean, we could, but I have to go to the
office, man. Sheesh.

Originally posted by Seitse
I have a neighbor who is on crack and claims
to be god's prophet.

We're not going to go around the world tagging
any nutcase who claims to be god's prophet, do
we? I mean, we could, but I have to go to the
office, man. Sheesh.

As for your neighbor, yes, it would make him a false prophet.

However, would your neignbor ever be mentioned Biblically? He would if he had a world wide following and was a false prophet. By your inability to call a spade a spade, you have made it impossible for their ever to be a false prophet.

Simply put, Mohammad claims to represent the God of the Bible. If he does not, he would be a false prophet. There is no way around this fact and even Muslims would agree even though they disagree that any of Mohammads teachings are false. So this would mean that Mohammad would have to support most of the Bible since he proports to represent the God of the Bible, but tweak things here and there so that it completly changes God's intent.

In the Dome of the Rock it is inscribed, "God forbid that he should have a Son". If it was indeed God's master plan to send his Son to save mankind, this is blasphamous and contrary to the will of God himself.

As for ancient Israel, if a man claimed to be a prophet of God and his prophecies did not come true, they would stone him. People like your neighbor would be dead.

Originally posted by whodey
People like your neighbor would be dead.

With the amount of stuff he's consuming, it's just a matter of time.

Originally posted by Seitse
With the amount of stuff he's consuming, it's just a matter of time.

Let me put it another way. What prophet, who is false and who proportts to be a prophet of the Biblical God, has 25% or more of the world population following him?

Make no mistake, both Christ and Mohammad are "game changers". In other words, they both sparked world wide followings of the Biblical God. However, Christ constantly pointed to the prophets, "See, they spoke of me." Daniel even gave a calendar in Daniel 9:24-27 pointing to his arrival. In short, it was his resume.

As for Mohammad, where are the prophesies other than the one about the false prophet?