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Using the Bible as evidence of its own truth is akin to a defendant on trial for murder who doubles as his own witness and alibi, claiming he was not present at the scene of the crime when the murder took place.



@fmf said
As for those giant fissures that make the Bible now contradictory and completely fallible...

Hence, hundreds of years after the Gospels were written, the theology of the Trinity had to be concocted.
No, this is wrong: the trinity was fully known and developed right away.

It's all throughout the Book of John and in the other Gospels, but John 1 especially.

It's also in the very greetings in some fo the Epistles:

1 Peter 1:2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood: Grace and peace be yours in abundance.


It's also brought up in 1 Colossians 1:

15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.


So, of course, it is codified, and we know that in the very early days of the Church in the writings of the earliest sub-apostolic church fathers they are believing in the Trinity.

You are just taking the far less popular perspective in the debate about the Trinity because it tarnishes the religion in your eyes.


@pettytalk said
Using the Bible as evidence of its own truth is akin to a defendant on trial for murder who doubles as his own witness and alibi, claiming he was not present at the scene of the crime when the murder took place.
At some point you have to acknowledge that this stuff can be about a specific point of theology...

Going up to Christians and others interested in rthe religion discussing the doctrine of the Trinity and providing some snotty comment about how the Bible itself might be fake is just crashing a party to put yuor foot in your mouth.

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"manifested in several ways"

How many ways?

I'm gonna take a wild stab here and say, three?

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Kinda sounds like Trinity to me.

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Trinitarians believe that God is one.

Your "Godhead" idea is the Trinity.

Kind of a weak milquetoast (as I said) "kinda" sorta way, but, you know. It's so you.


To kill two birds here with one stone. If God has certain individuals here acting as His advocates to defend His honor and His word, then it can be concluded that God must either be mad or a fool. However, I personally know God, and I am aware that no one was hired as His lawyer or as a contract/covenant specialist.

"I will now retreat to my vantage point and observe what further nonsense emerges.


@philokalia said
You are just taking the far less popular perspective in the debate about the Trinity because it tarnishes the religion in your eyes.
It matters not to me if it "tarnishes" the religion. The problem with it, for me, is that it is mumbo-jumbo created in the C4th because there was a gap between the contrived ideology corporate Christianity needed and the simple teachings attributed to Christ, and I do not find it credible. If it floats your spiritual and intellectual boats, so be it. The dogmas that you subscribe to do me no harm and I don't care who thinks they are "tarnished" and who thinks they are polished.

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