joan of arc

@mister-moggy said
did she have a true vision ?

was she a political creation of the dauphine ?

was she just a teenager with hysterical emotional
issues in a deeply catholic country ?

You would do better to peruse a biography of her before asking people their opinions.

You should be able to consult your own inner decision-making process to analyze the facts after you have them to form your own opinions.

@mister-moggy said
did she have a true vision ?

was she a political creation of the dauphine ?

was she just a teenager with hysterical emotional
issues in a deeply catholic country ?

Yes.

@mister-moggy said
hakima, you understand the concept of the "pious fraud" .

a complicated position.

well done.

I was raised Mormon. I have been asking similar questions my entire life:

Joseph Smith; did he have a true vision ?

was he a political creation of the freemasons who comprised his adult male mentors?

was he just a teenager with emotional
issues amidst the fervor of the Transcendental Movement in North America ?

Yes

Yes, I understand the concept of pious fraud...

Most of the time, those who participate in it are well meaning humans who get caught up in the fervor of idealism with intense motivation to merge corporeal experience with mental process, and define it as vision or spirituality.

Further, when that sort of ecstatic experience occurs to an impressionable young person who is already dealing with the ordeal of defining identity, it is extremely easy for a teenager with "hysterical emotional issues" to be exploited to promote an institutional agenda.

I like the Native American tradition of Vision Quest in which youth are permitted to experience the ecstasy of vision alone and then are supported and validated while they continue to develop their identities as contributors to their communities.