1. Standard memberRBHILL
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    11 Jan '06 18:25
    "Judge not lest you be judged. You therefore have no right to judge me when it comes to my sins!"

    The world often takes this verse out of context and uses it to accuse Christians of being "judgmental" when they speak of sin. In the context of the verse Jesus is telling His disciples not to judge one another, something the Bible condemns (Romans 14:10; James 4:11). In Luke 6:41,42 He speaks of seeing a speck in a brother’s eye. In John 7:24 He said, "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." If someone steals, lies, commits adultery or murder, etc., the Christian can make a (righteous) moral judgment and say that the actions were morally wrong, and that these sins will have eternal consequences. Chuck Colson said, "True tolerance is not a total lack of judgment. It’s knowing what should be tolerated—and refusing to tolerate that which shouldn’t."
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    11 Jan '06 18:51
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    "Judge not lest you be judged. You therefore have no right to judge me when it comes to my sins!"

    The world often takes this verse out of context and uses it to accuse Christians of being "judgmental" when they speak of sin. In the context of the verse Jesus is telling His disciples not to judge one another, something the Bible condemns (Romans 14:10; Jame ...[text shortened]... t. It’s knowing what should be tolerated—and refusing to tolerate that which shouldn’t."
    Well if someone as righteous as Chuck Colson said it, it must be true!
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    11 Jan '06 18:54
    And what about: Let he that is without sin cast the first stone?
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    11 Jan '06 19:05
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    If someone... commits... murder, the Christian can make a (righteous) moral judgment and say that the actions were morally wrong
    Oh good, because us atheists would just let them get away with it.

    Probably while smoking drugs, looking at porn and planning the overthrow of capitalism.
  5. Subscriberno1marauder
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    11 Jan '06 19:14
    Originally posted by dottewell
    Oh good, because us atheists would just let them get away with it.

    Probably while smoking drugs, looking at porn and planning the overthrow of capitalism.
    Sounds like my weekend plans.
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    11 Jan '06 19:29
    "Judge not lest you be judged" is a dodgy maxim anyway.

    It reminds me of that bit in the "Friends" theme that went:

    "I'll be there for you - 'cos you're there for me too".

    What kind of basis for friendship is that?
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    11 Jan '06 19:32
    Originally posted by dottewell
    "Judge not lest you be judged" is a dodgy maxim anyway.

    It reminds me of that bit in the "Friends" theme that went:

    "I'll be there for you - 'cos you're there for me too".

    What kind of basis for friendship is that?
    It's not a basis for a friendship, it's a part of one. 🙂
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    11 Jan '06 19:37
    Originally posted by dags
    It's not a basis for a friendship, it's a part of one. 🙂
    It's the "'cos" that worries me.

    It sounds like a threat. A paranoid threat.
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    11 Jan '06 19:48
    Originally posted by dottewell
    It's the "'cos" that worries me.

    It sounds like a threat. A paranoid threat.
    It should be more like "I'll be there if you need or want me" I think. I can't stand well meaning people offering advice or help when I didn't ask for it. But people do like to help so I can understand why people do but I think people should ask if someone wants their help before just launching into it. Sorry, babbling 🙂
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    11 Jan '06 19:501 edit
    Originally posted by dags
    It should be more like "I'll be there if you need or want me" I think. I can't stand well meaning people offering advice or help when I didn't ask for it. But people do like to help so I can understand why people do but I think people should ask if someone wants their help before just launching into it. Sorry, babbling 🙂
    I'll be there for you
    Cos you're there for me too
    But the minute I feel your support wavering
    I'll will drop you like a ton of bricks
    Because I'm essentially motivated by self-interest

    [repeat to fade]
  11. Standard memberscottishinnz
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    11 Jan '06 21:26
    Originally posted by dottewell
    I'll be there for you
    Cos you're there for me too
    But the minute I feel your support wavering
    I'll will drop you like a ton of bricks
    Because I'm essentially motivated by self-interest

    [repeat to fade]
    That's the Bush - Bin Laden relationship to music! Wonderful!
  12. Standard memberKnightWulfe
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    11 Jan '06 21:36
    RBHILL -

    You should just go into the corner, pull your pants down and spank yourself. There is no excuse for that sort of behavior!

    FOR SHAME!
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    11 Jan '06 22:18
    Originally posted by dottewell
    I'll be there for you
    Cos you're there for me too
    But the minute I feel your support wavering
    I'll will drop you like a ton of bricks
    Because I'm essentially motivated by self-interest

    [repeat to fade]
    Actually I'd be more worried if the song finshed

    "I'll be there for you, even if you try to get away"

    or

    "I'll be there for you, when you're sleeping at night"

    or

    "I'll be there for you, with baby pictures and stories to tell your girlfriend / boyfriend when you bring her/him home to meet us"
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