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    18 Nov '05 17:171 edit
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    Sorry for the cut-and-paste, but the argument simply can't be made any better than this.

    Krauthammer bitch-slaps the Intelligent Design crowd.


    Phony Theory, False Conflict
    'Intelligent Design' Foolishly Pits Evolution Against Faith

    By Charles Krauthammer
    Friday, November 18, 2005; A23



    Because every few years this country, in i ...[text shortened]... and mice, Newton and Einstein? Even if it did give us the Kansas State Board of Education, too.
    well I dont see evolution as science Its more of a explanation for those who dont believe in a God, for example, we have evidence that DNA dont evolve, however this conflicts with other evolution theorys, so they make up a story how DNA came from RNA, which evolved blah blah.. there is evidence that shows otherwise, but for some reason it is ignored

    Another evolution theory is of the fossils that were found. If these fossils of marine life were placed there by the great flood of Noah's day, then this makes mute the assumption that they must have been there for millions of years

    so do you see my point here?, ID is a theory that is most likely true if there was a God. And Evolution is a theory that is most likely if there was no God.


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    18 Nov '05 17:46
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    ID is not - NOT - science.

    I believe in God. And I believe evolution is His tool for getting us from the Big Bang to where we are today.

    Where is this evidence that DNA doesn't evolve? I'd like to see it. Please provide it to me.

    DNA does come from RNA.

    You talk about evidence again. I'd like to see your evidence. Please, provi ...[text shortened]... esting that it actually did take place - why would the Great Flood invalidate the Fossil Record?
    well, any true scientist knows the problems of DNA or RNA evolving.
    they have tried and tried in labortories, and never once could they come close

    Read this entire page

    http://www.nmsr.org/csfnm5a.htm

    well I dont really see ID is science, nor do I really see evolution as science, more as a the best possable theory explaining things if you didnt believe in a God


    If you believe in God, do you believe that he created humans? or did they evolve from nothing?

    http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/63fdf524071bda?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8
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    18 Nov '05 18:23
    Originally posted by sasquatch672

    Pretty neat, huh?
    WOW That is SO neat, I am so amazed

    now try to recreate a RNA Cell 😛

    try readng this book
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0890513414/002-4045894-6833602?v=glance&n=283155&s=books&v=glance

    I have took both Evolution and ID courses, in school, and ID explains it to me way better.
    It amazes me at how many people are againts ID in school because they dont think its science when in fact they never took any courses on it themselves

    Its been a while since I studied it, but I'll try to remember some points.
    Scientist found petrified wood that didnt have any rings in it, so therfore they concluded that in the early days thee was no seasons, They also concluded that the whole earth at one time was one tempurature, Before the Great Flood there was a water body that surrounded the earth making the earth a constant tempurature. (more of a perfect world). Thats where the water came from in the flood, Most scientist will say that the Grand Canyon was carved by a massive flood.

    Thats not a case againts Evolution, its just explaining the most logical way for the ID theory
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    well I dont see evolution as science Its more of a explanation for those who dont believe in a God

    But wait . . . why is it then that most people (at least most Americans) who accept the theory of evolution also believe in God? It's seems neither fair nor accurate to characterize evolution this way. I understand that you view accepting evolution and believing in the Word of God as two mutually exclusive actions, but this is demonstrably not the position of many xian Americans.
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    18 Nov '05 19:10
    Originally posted by flyUnity
    well, any true scientist knows the problems of DNA or RNA evolving.
    they have tried and tried in labortories, and never once could they come close

    Read this entire page

    http://www.nmsr.org/csfnm5a.htm

    well I dont really see ID is science, nor do I really see evolution as science, more as a the best possable theory explaining things if you didnt b ...[text shortened]... m nothing?

    http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/63fdf524071bda?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8
    Sorry I've got to hit you on this but when you say, "true scientist," do you mean "true" in the same sense as it is used in the expression "true Christian"?

    In light of project Steve and other data citing the overwhelming fraction of scientists that accept evolution, and the surely universal acceptance among the Academy for the Sciences, who is a "true scientist"?
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